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Further Discussion About Covid-19 and the Covid-19 Crisis 2020

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Fri 8 May, 2020 06:17 pm
@chai2,
He tries my patience. But he won't get my goat.
coldjoint
 
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Fri 8 May, 2020 08:45 pm
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Leftists: Do you realize that our rage will only grow the more you exploit the COVID-19 crisis?

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The pandemic false pretense

Part of the problem for the left is that many are getting wise to the fact that the lock-downs are rapidly becoming unnecessary. The antibody tests showed that the SARS-CoV-2 virus has spread despite the left’s draconian actions.

This on top of the fact that the models were faulty to which the left cannot admit. All they’ve done is double down on their authoritarianism in the face of the reality. Granted, they could have simply confessed at some point that the models they used were way off. That could have at least restored some of their credibility. But that would have negated all of the draconian measures they have taken against the cause of liberty.

It’s unfortunate for the left that they can’t move fast enough to get in front of the rapidly changing trends. Most states are opening up, and while they will complain with misleading headlines until the cows come home, most people will understand the threat has diminished and they won’t be held by fear.

https://noqreport.com/2020/05/08/leftists-do-you-realize-that-our-rage-will-only-grow-the-more-you-exploit-the-covid-19-crisis/
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JGoldman10
 
  1  
Fri 8 May, 2020 09:03 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Bob, I'm not your enemy.
JGoldman10
 
  1  
Fri 8 May, 2020 09:08 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
If you want to censor God's name that's your business. I apologise for offending you. That was not my intention.

I don't use God's name in vain.

One of my Christian penpals whom I met through Yahoo! Answers is a bit of an extremist but I respect him.

I asked him if there were any Bible codes about the correlation between the year 2020 and the Covid-19 crisis and outbreak. He said he refused to discuss Bible codes with me. He said he doesn't read and understand Hebrew. He said he refuses to take anyone on their word about what any Bible codes say.
JGoldman10
 
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Fri 8 May, 2020 09:14 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Why did the researcher's colleague kill him?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 8 May, 2020 09:15 pm
@JGoldman10,
Quote:
Bob, I'm not your enemy.


Never ever said that. I was commenting on your trying to draw me into one of your "religious" arguments over my form of addressing the Father.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 8 May, 2020 09:26 pm
@JGoldman10,
Quote:
censor


That IS offensive and indicates you don't pay attention to anything I've written. IF there is any "censorship" its me keeping from casualizing the use of His name. Censorship implies some sort of force or law. I'm freely choosing to follow the spirit of the law as it is opened to me by the Spirit. You are certainly allowed to use your free will to do what you'd like. And I'll not signify over it and gossip about it.

Sounds as if your friend and I view mysticism from the same place. There is no way you are equipped to handle scholarship of the Kabbalah. I know I'm not. It my case I accept it as a sign I'm not meant to open that door. I can't speak for you, but I don't see you as being prepared.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Fri 8 May, 2020 09:31 pm
@JGoldman10,
It appears from what I've read he helped the murder's woman friend to leave him. And again, NO, it was NOT the researchers wife.

I do not get your continued interest in this. It's not healthy to get any sort of pleasure or satisfaction from this sort of thing. This is tragic and sad and none of our business past a news article with a connection to Covid19.
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JGoldman10
 
  1  
Fri 8 May, 2020 09:43 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I was paraphrasing what my penpal said. I didn't even state everything he said.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Fri 8 May, 2020 09:58 pm
@JGoldman10,
Quote:
I was paraphrasing what my penpal said.


Difference without significance. At any rate it's a given anytime one recounts a conversation without attribution or quote it is a paraphrasing. What's your point?

Are you telling me your paraphrasing in inaccurate? Because if it isn't, like I said before, "your friend and I seem to agree", parenthetically, of course.

What is it with you and bickering over invisible points????
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 8 May, 2020 11:30 pm
Two White House Coronavirus Cases Raise Question of if Anyone Is Really Safe

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/us/politics/white-house-coronavirus-safety.html

If it is so hard to maintain a healthy environment at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, then how can businesses across the country establish a safe space for their workers?

Peter BakerMichael Crowley

By Peter Baker and Michael Crowley

May 8, 2020

WASHINGTON — In his eagerness to reopen the country, President Trump faces the challenge of convincing Americans that it would be safe to go back to the workplace. But the past few days have demonstrated that even his own workplace may not be safe from the coronavirus.

Vice President Mike Pence’s press secretary tested positive for the virus on Friday, forcing a delay in the departure of Air Force Two while a half-dozen other members of his staff were taken off the plane for further testing. That came only a day after word that one of the president’s own military valets had been infected.

All of which raised an obvious question: If it is so hard to maintain a healthy environment at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the most famous office address in the world, where staff members are tested regularly, some as often as every day, then how can businesses across the country without anywhere near as much access to the same resources establish a safe space for their workers?

“The virus is in the White House, any way you look at it,” said Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary of homeland security under President Barack Obama. “Whether it’s contained or not, we will know soon enough. But the fact that a place — secured, with access to the best means to mitigate harm — is not able to stop the virus has the potential of undermining confidence in any capacity to defeat it.”

The presence of the virus in both the West Wing and the residential floors of the White House brings home the dilemma facing the nation at a pivotal point in the pandemic. With more than 77,000 deaths in the United States so far and cases rising by the day, states and employers are wrestling with when and how to reopen without putting workers, customers and clients at risk.

But the federal government has not detailed the best way to minimize risk, much less avoid more deaths. Even as it has experienced positive tests of its own, the White House has so far blocked the release of a set of recommendations developed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, deeming them overly prescriptive. As a result, businesses have been left to make their best guesses with lives on the line.

Both Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence are now tested daily, and both tested negative after the latest infections were discovered. Staff members in proximity to them are also tested daily, as are guests. Congressional Republicans who visited Mr. Trump on Friday were spaced out around the table.
ImagePresident Trump participating in a wreath-laying ceremony on Friday at the World War II Memorial.
President Trump participating in a wreath-laying ceremony on Friday at the World War II Memorial.Credit...Anna Moneymaker/The New York Times

Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff, told reporters that “we’ve put in some additional protocols over the last 48 hours” to reduce the risk and expressed confidence that the president could be protected. “This is probably the safest place that you can come to,” he said.

But neither Mr. Trump nor Mr. Pence regularly wears a mask, nor do most of their aides. The president hosted a wreath-laying ceremony at the World War II Memorial in Washington on Friday to mark the 75th anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany by inviting several veterans aged 95 and over, even though they were in the most vulnerable age group.
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The latest positive test further rattled a White House already on edge after the president’s military valet came down with the virus. Katie Miller, the vice president’s press secretary and a top spokeswoman for the White House coronavirus efforts, had tested negative on Thursday but then tested positive on Friday morning.

The result forced Mr. Pence’s scheduled flight to Des Moines to be delayed for more than an hour, even though she was not traveling with him, so that six other aides who had been in contact with her could be escorted from the plane at Joint Base Andrews before its departure. All six later tested negative but were sent home out of caution, officials said. Ms. Miller is married to Stephen Miller, the president’s senior adviser, and he too was tested again on Friday and the results came back negative.

White House officials initially asked reporters not to identify Ms. Miller as the aide who tested positive, but Mr. Trump blew the secret when he identified her publicly during his meeting with the congressional Republicans as “Katie” and “the press person” for Mr. Pence.
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“She tested very good for a long period of time. And then all of a sudden today, she tested positive,” Mr. Trump said. “She hasn’t come into contact with me. She spends some time with the vice president.”

But Ms. Miller has been in the vicinity of the president in recent days, including during his Fox News appearance on Sunday at the Lincoln Memorial and again on Thursday in the Rose Garden. Her husband is in meetings with the president even more frequently as the architect of his crackdown on immigration, although he and other aides have sat farther away than they have in the past.

Multiple presidential aides are now tested daily, as are about 10 members of Mr. Pence’s staff, an official said. But tests are conducted less frequently on other White House officials who work next door in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building and have regular contact with West Wing aides even if not the president himself.

The Secret Service has 11 active cases of the coronavirus and 23 employees who have recovered, current and former government officials said Friday, but it was unclear whether any were agents or served in the White House. The service, which has 150 offices across the country responsible for protecting a variety of dignitaries and investigating financial crimes, also has 60 others undergoing self-quarantine, Yahoo News reported. While tested regularly, agents in the president’s detail have not been wearing masks, and new faces have shown up in recent days.

The White House infections further inflamed the national debate about testing even as many states begin lifting restrictions on businesses and social gatherings. Mr. Trump has said testing is adequate for reopening even as public health experts said it must be much more robust to have a better map of the outbreak. The Harvard Global Health Institute estimated this week that the United States needs to do at least 900,000 tests a day by May 15, but is only doing about 250,000 now.

“One of the most important ways to protect our workers is by conducting more tests,” said Lorraine M. Martin, the president of the National Safety Council, a nonprofit advocacy group. “Increased access to Covid-19 testing for our work force will help flatten the curve by removing people with coronavirus from the workplace and better ensure the safety and health of employees who are maintaining operations during this pandemic.”

But on Friday, Mr. Trump cast doubt on testing as a panacea, saying Ms. Miller’s case at the White House demonstrated the limits of its utility.

“This is why the whole concept of tests aren’t necessarily great,” the president said. “The tests are perfect, but something can happen between a test where it’s good and then something happens and all of a sudden” it is not.

Some experts said he has a point. “People need to understand the limitations of testing,” said Nellie Brown, the director of workplace health and safety programs at the Worker Institute at Cornell University, who is advising businesses on how to reopen safely. “When you take a test you’re basically getting a slice in time. You know what is happening at that moment, but you don’t know what may happen even soon after that.”

Even so, she said, the president should be setting an example for the rest of the country, like by wearing a mask. “You need to model the behavior you want others to exhibit because you’re so powerful an example,” she said. “It’s so important for others to see we’re all doing this because we’re all in this together.”

No one in the White House seems to expect Mr. Trump to wear a mask anytime soon. His aides said it was not necessary because a mask is worn to protect others in case its wearer is infected, and the president is tested regularly. But privately they acknowledge that he has expressed concern that it would make him look bad.

Kayleigh McEnany, the White House press secretary, disputed the idea that the new cases in the White House reflected continuing risk to Americans who are being asked to return to work, with less testing and monitoring than the White House receives.

“The guidelines that our experts have put forward to keep this building safe — which means contact tracing, all of the recommended guidelines we have for businesses that have essential workers — we’re now putting in place here in the White House,” she said at a briefing.

Asked about the veterans in their 90s who joined Mr. Trump for the World War II anniversary, she said the men “made the choice to come here because they’ve chosen to put their nation first.” Asked why the president, who briefly addressed them from a distance of several feet, had not worn a mask, Ms. McEnany said, “This president will make the decision as to whether to wear a mask or not.”

Calling into “Fox & Friends” earlier in the day, Mr. Trump provided additional details about the White House valet who tested positive for the coronavirus. He said that the aide, who is in the Navy, had not worked for several days before Tuesday, when he was “in the room” with the president for an unspecified amount of time before discovering that he was carrying the virus. “I don’t think any contact,” Mr. Trump added of his interactions with the aide.

After some prompting, the president cheekily offered to send a test kit from the White House to his likely Democratic opponent in the general election, former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. That, he said, would allow Mr. Biden to “get out of the basement so he can speak,” adding that “every time he talks, it’s, like, a good thing.”

Maggie Haberman contributed reporting from New York, and Michael D. Shear and Zolan Kanno-Youngs from Washington.
coldjoint
 
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Fri 8 May, 2020 11:51 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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Two White House Coronavirus Cases Raise Question of if Anyone Is Really Safe

The NYT does not care about anyone's health. They care about destroying the economy to get Trump out of office. After the last couple of days their credibility is shot even more than it was before. Fearmongering and lies, like usual.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 9 May, 2020 08:01 am
@coldjoint,
Opinion. And you do know what they say about assholes and opinions?

o•pin•ion ə-pĭn′yən►

n.
A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: synonym: view.
n.
A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert.
n.
A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing.

Otherwise I'm sure you'd have mentioned your special knowledge and expertise, right?

You did make a judgement, though. Unqualified but chock full of baseless specifics and totally fact free.

Another classic CJ FAIL!

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revelette3
 
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Sat 9 May, 2020 12:25 pm
We've been hearing reports of teenage or young adults suffering strokes related to CV-19. Now there have been cases where children as young as five years old suffer a major illness with inflammation of the blood vessels who also test positive Covid-19.

5-year-old dies from severe illness linked to coronavirus
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Sat 9 May, 2020 12:30 pm
@revelette3,
I've read where taking blood from these kids is difficult as the blood clots immediately in the tubes.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Sat 9 May, 2020 01:36 pm
Florida marks its deadliest week of coronavirus pandemic
Source: Tampa Bay Times

The past week marked the deadliest in Florida since the novel coronavirus took hold in the Sunshine State more than two months ago.

The state’s death toll jumped by 401 people, an average of 57 new recorded fatalities each day since May 1.

But even excluding Tuesday, the week’s average was 48 deaths per day, slightly above the previous record, set in mid-April.

For most Floridians, the week was also the first with places reopening after the coronavirus led to a statewide stay-at-home order more than a month ago.

Read more: https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/08/florida-adds-71-coronavirus-deaths-as-state-prepares-for-first-weekend-of-reopening/?trk_msg=77TDILKTGNB414MLO488TJPBKS&trk_contact=2LVUQ22E7IOMM9DEEA726PIHT4&trk_sid=PJ5EV78IIRCISUF94KIR5UNGF8&utm_email=1422E4C1E5F9350FC5E7646FE6&utm_source=DayStarter&utm_medium=MG2_Newsletter&utm_term=+biggest+state+death+toll+in+one+week+since+the+pandemic+began&utm_campaign=40+years+after+the+Skyway+Bridge+collapse
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JGoldman10
 
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Sat 9 May, 2020 02:38 pm
@revelette3,
Wow. Thank you for sharing this.
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JGoldman10
 
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Sat 9 May, 2020 02:44 pm
What was the last major pandemic to occur before the Covid-19 outbreak?

I an curious.

The Ebola outbreak from a few years ago was serious but how come it didn't affect anyone outside of Africa? Praise the Lord the Ebola virus didn't spread to other parts of the world.

We've had a number of disease epidemics here in the U.S. in recent years, but how come the American government and the media wasn't carrying on about those disease outbreaks like they are about the Covid-19 one?

Was it because the diseases tied to the other outbreaks weren't as bad or dangerous?
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Sat 9 May, 2020 02:52 pm
@JGoldman10,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemic

For a truly eyeopening educational experience.

Quote:
We've had a number of disease epidemics here in the U.S. in recent years, but how come the American government and the media wasn't carrying on about those disease outbreaks like they are about the Covid-19 one?


Because they weren't killing thousands per week and we haven't necessarily seen the worst of it yet. I actually wish Trump were right, but he hasn't been yet.
JGoldman10
 
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Sat 9 May, 2020 02:53 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Hi Bob. I said pandemics not epidemics.
 

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