Further Discussion About Covid-19 and the Covid-19 Crisis 2020

Reopening states will cause 233,000 more people to die from coronavirus, according to Wharton model
New data from the University of Pennsylvania suggests that relaxing lockdowns across U.S. cities and states could have serious consequences for the country’s battle to contain the coronavirus, which has infected over a million people while killing more than 66,000 people.

According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found.

Kent Smetters, the PWBM’s director, said the decision to reopen states is ultimately a “normative judgement that comes down to the statistical value of life.”

He explained: “That’s not a crude way of saying we put a dollar value on life, but it’s the idea that people will take risks all the time for economic reward.”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reopening-states-will-cause-233000-more-people-to-die-from-coronavirus-according-to-wharton-model-120049573.html

Wharton? #45's uni? can they be trusted?

That's the funny part. Trump implies he's a Wharton School of Business graduate.

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/09/14/donald-trump-at-wharton-university-of-pennsylvania/

precisely

What is funny is that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Your hatred for Trump has been established. And your penchant for gossip instead of news has established too.

Hi. Getting back on topic, I know local Social Security offices are closed to the public due to the Covid-19 crisis. They can't send forms out to people.

Can I apply for a replacement S S. card online with no problem?

I misplaced my card so many times I lost count. For some odd reason they don't want people laminating their cards; it makes them untraceable supposedly. They would be easier to keep up with if they were laminated.

The reason I ask this is because I know you're allowed a certain number of S.S. cards and I don't know if this would be an issue if I had gone to reapply for a new replacement card in person.

Have the world's scientists and chief medical experts made any recent strides to contain, isolate and destroy Covid-19? Have they come up with a vaccine and/or cure for it yet? Or any treatments at least?

How much progress have they made?

Do some research.

This ought to be good, does Trump denounce Wharton as a fake school? Or will he say it used to be a great school but only when he was there.

You might try going directly to the Social Security Administration website.... www.ssa.gov/myaccount/replacement-card.html
Of course, if the offices are closed, you might not be getting a new card anytime soon.



it has nothing to do with going in person. There is a quantity limit.

"There are limits on the number of replacement social security number cards we will issue to you. You may receive no more than three replacement social security number cards in a year and ten replacement social security number cards per lifetime. We may allow for reasonable exceptions to these limits on a case-by-case basis in compelling circumstances."
https://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/cfr20/422/422-0103.htm

Also related: never keep your SSN card in your wallet due to the high risk of identity theft if the wallet is stolen.

Is having an actual card that important? I lost the card that had my national insurance number years ago, but I don’t need it because I know what my number is.

It’s also on all my payslips and communications withthe taxoffice.

Yes in the US it is important to have the actual card.

There’s times like applying for a passport, getting a job and other when you have to present the actual card. Oh and I think maybe sometimes at your bank if you’re doing something complicated with someone in the offices.

Well, if you just got a job there are other documentation you can show, but they may not be things you have.

I know they say not to laminate it, but I did mine and it was never a problem whenever I had to present it.

Getting it stolen is a pretty big thing, which is why a lot of people don’t carry the card around. Only have it with them when they need it, which is generally not too often.

Don’t know how someone could manage to lose it numerous times, even if there was a situation where you had to show it regularly.

In the US for instance it very common to be asked to see your drivers license or some other form of photo ID. Most people have a drivers license and you don’t hear of people loosing them all the time.
In fact, the only time I ever had to get a replacement is because of a name change.
So more than 45 years with essentially the same card.
Yet another Goldman mystery.

Um... This is Goldman the genius we're talking about. Need I say more?




As long as the Social Security folks are saved, that's what really matters.

... oh and how he can delay paying his bills....even though those things were put in place for people who have lost their jobs due to the current situation. Can't recall Goldman ever having mentioned being employed...for a salary, that is.

If only he could remember where the Social Security card went. Maybe we should form a Zoom meeting prayer session for him...

Trump acknowledged that the virus has proved more lethal than he had expected.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/03/us/coronavirus-updates.html

President Trump predicted on Sunday night that the death toll from the coronavirus pandemic ravaging the country may reach as high as 100,000 in the United States, far higher than he had forecast just weeks ago, even as he pressed states to begin reopening the shuttered economy.

Mr. Trump, who last month forecast that 60,000 lives would be lost, acknowledged that the virus has proved more devastating than he had expected but said he believes parks and beaches should begin reopening and schools should resume classes in person by this fall.

“We’re going to lose anywhere from 75, 80 to 100,000 people,” he said in a virtual “town hall” meeting on Fox News. “That’s a horrible thing. We shouldn’t lose one person over this.”

But he credited himself with preventing the toll from being worse. “If we didn’t do it, the minimum we would have lost was a million two, a million four, a million five, that’s the minimum. We would have lost probably higher, it’s possible higher than 2.2.

During the two-hour broadcast, he also acknowledged he was warned about the coronavirus in his regular intelligence briefing on Jan. 23 but asserted that the information was characterized as if “it was not a big deal.”

Mr. Trump confirmed reports that his intelligence briefings cited the virus even as he argued that it had not been presented in an alarming way that demanded immediate action.

“On Jan. 23 I was told that there could be a virus coming in but it was of no real import,” Mr. Trump said. “In other words, it wasn’t, ‘Oh, we’ve got to do something, we’ve got to do something.’ It was a brief conversation and it was only on Jan. 23. Shortly thereafter, I closed the country to China. We had 23 people in the room and I was the only one in the room who wanted to close it down.”

Mr. Trump was referring to his decision on Jan. 30 to limit travel from China, where the outbreak had started, a move that in fact was recommended by some of his advisers and came only after major American airlines had already canceled flights. Some public health advisers have said the travel limits helped slow the spread to the United States but complained that the Trump administration did not use the extra time to adequately prepare by ramping up testing and medical equipment.

Mr. Trump said his travel limit was not driven by the Jan. 23 warning. “I didn’t do it because of what they said,” he said. “They said it very matter-of-factly, it was not a big deal.”

During the Fox broadcast, former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., a Democrat who is challenging Trump in this year’s presidential campaign, posted a short campaign video on social media criticizing the incumbent’s leadership during the pandemic.

“Donald Trump thought the job was about tweets and rallies and big parades,” a narrator says. “He never thought he’d have to protect nearly 330 million Americans. So he didn’t.”

Also during the town hall, Vice President Mike Pence acknowledged the criticism he faced when he did not wear a mask during a visit Tuesday to the Mayo Clinic.

“I didn’t think it was necessary, but I should have worn a mask at the Mayo Clinic,” Mr. Pence said.

Piers Morgan is self isolating after being tested for Coronavirus, so it’s not all bad news.

Trump doesn't find much to agree with, except himself.

Hopefully he loses the key.

The Trump administration projects about 3,000 daily deaths by early June.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-updates.html

As President Trump presses for states to reopen their economies, his administration is privately projecting a steady rise in the number of cases and deaths from coronavirus over the next several weeks, reaching about 3,000 daily deaths on June 1, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times, nearly double from the current level of about 1,750.

The projections, based on modeling by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and pulled together in chart form by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases now.

The numbers underscore a sobering reality: While the United States has been hunkered down for the past seven weeks, not much has changed. And the reopening to the economy will make matters worse.

“There remains a large number of counties whose burden continues to grow,” the C.D.C. warned.

The projections confirm the primary fear of public health experts: that a reopening of the economy will put the nation right back where it was in mid-March, when cases were rising so rapidly in some parts of the country that patients were dying on gurneys in hospital hallways with cases rising so rapidly that the health care system is overloaded.


CDC Document:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6926-mayhhsbriefing/af7319f4a55fd0ce5dc9/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

“While mitigation didn’t fail, I think it’s fair to say that it didn’t work as well as we expected,” Scott Gottlieb, Mr. Trump’s former commissioner of food and drugs, said Sunday on the CBS program Face the Nation. “We expected that we would start seeing more significant declines in new cases and deaths around the nation at this point. And we’re just not seeing that.”

On Sunday, Mr. Trump said deaths in the United States could reach 100,000, twice as many as he had forecast just two weeks ago.

“We’re going to lose anywhere from 75, 80 to 100,000 people,” he said in a virtual town hall on Fox News. “That’s a horrible thing. We shouldn’t lose one person over this.”

Mr. Gottlieb said Americans “may be facing the prospect that 20,000, 30,000 new cases a day diagnosed becomes the new normal.”

Some states that have partially reopened are still seeing an increase in coronavirus cases, including Iowa, Minnesota, Tennessee and Texas, according to Times data. Indiana, Kansas, Nebraska and Arizona also are seeing an increase in cases and are planning on some kind of reopening soon. Alaska has also reopened and is seeing a small number of increasing cases.

While the country has stabilized, it has not really improved, as shown by data collected by The Times. Case and death numbers remain stuck on a numbing, tragic plateau that is tilting only slightly downward.

At least 1,000 people with the virus, and sometimes more than 2,000, have died every day for the last month. On a near-daily basis, at least 25,000 new cases of the virus are being identified across the country. And even as New York City, New Orleans and Detroit make gains, other urban centers, including Chicago and Los Angeles, are reporting steady growth in cases.

The situation has devolved most dramatically in parts of rural America that were largely spared in the early stages of the pandemic. As food processing facilities and prisons have emerged as some of the country’s largest case clusters, the counties that include Logansport, Ind., South Sioux City, Neb., and Marion, Ohio, have surpassed New York City in cases per capita.