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oralloy
 
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Sun 11 Jul, 2021 04:51 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:
Well, this article discussed how people working from home when others are in the office being 'out of the loop'. There is that water-cooler mentality, for one, and a sense of teamwork, for another.

If they are doing good work, that shouldn't matter.


Mame wrote:
What if you work on an assembly line (or in close quarters with other workers), serve food, deliver mail, go door-to-door, deliver food, or need to speak with the public (without a plastic barrier)?

Then it is reasonable to require vaccination.
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Glennn
 
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Sun 11 Jul, 2021 09:11 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Better their off-topic chatter than the personal attacks that they were launching previous to that, IMO.

Both are efforts to avoid questions; no sweat off my nose.
Quote:
My understanding is that the vaccines have been proven both safe and effective in large-scale studies.

I would be interested in seeing those large-scale studies that showed that the experimental injections confer immunity.

I see things like this:

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Around 55 percent of the country’s 9.3 million people have been fully vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The breakthrough cases, or infections in fully vaccinated people, account for around 40 to 50 percent of new COVID-19 cases, Prof. Chezy Levy, the Director-General of the Health Ministry, said in an interview with local radio.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________

Effective . . .

Glennn
 
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Sun 11 Jul, 2021 09:22 pm
@edgarblythe,
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even after your shots, the incidence of infections has gone way down.

Do you suppose that might have something to do with the CDC coming up with the idea of PCR-testing the people who've received the experimental injection at a reasonable cycle threshold of 28 instead of a ridiculous 40, and then testing the people who haven't received the experimental injection at a ridiculous 40 cycle threshold instead of a reasonable 28?
InfraBlue
 
  3  
Sun 11 Jul, 2021 09:51 pm
@Glennn,
Cite, please. Thanks
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edgarblythe
 
  3  
Sun 11 Jul, 2021 09:54 pm
@Glennn,
Do you have any verifiable evidence of that?
glitterbag
 
  4  
Sun 11 Jul, 2021 10:29 pm
@Glennn,
You might want to check out this thread: https://able2know.org/topic/557001-1

Most of the issues you wish to talk about are covered in that thread. Maybe not exactly the same issues, but your approach has been the same....you make a statement, then insult one of the posters, that poster decides it's pointless to engage, and then you declare victory because you think they can't refute your 'arguments' or can't defend theirs. It's really just that you're annoying when you broaden your attack and dredge up everything under the sun as proof you are the clear headed one in a crowd of morons who blindly worship the people you believe are hypocrites. If you really think about it, why would anyone continue to humour you in your anger fueled fury? People who have raised children recognize a temper tantrum when they see one.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 12 Jul, 2021 01:46 am
@glitterbag,
He’s full of it, on another thread he claims not to be a Holocaust denier after spending three pages denying the Holocaust.

Not only is he full of it he’s so incredibly tedious.
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hightor
 
  3  
Mon 12 Jul, 2021 06:53 am
Despite Outbreaks Among Unvaccinated, Fox News Hosts Smear Shots

Months after Rupert Murdoch got a Covid-19 dose, one of his network’s stars, Tucker Carlson, called a Biden vaccination proposal “the greatest scandal in my lifetime.”

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Back in December, before the queen of England and the president-elect of the United States had their turns, the media mogul Rupert Murdoch received a dose of a Covid-19 vaccine. Afterward, he urged everyone else to get it, too.

Since then, a different message has been a repeated refrain on the prime-time shows hosted by Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham on Mr. Murdoch’s Fox News Channel — a message at odds with the recommendations of health experts, even as the virus’s Delta variant and other mutations fuel outbreaks in areas where vaccination rates are below the national average.

Mr. Carlson, Ms. Ingraham and guests on their programs have said on the air that the vaccines could be dangerous; that people are justified in refusing them; and that public authorities have overstepped in their attempts to deliver them.

Mr. Carlson and Ms. Ingraham last week criticized a plan by the Biden administration to increase vaccinations by having health care workers and volunteers go door to door to try to persuade the reluctant to get shots.

“Going door-to-door?” Ms. Ingraham said. “This is creepy stuff.”

Mr. Carlson, the highest-rated Fox News host, with an average of 2.9 million viewers, said the Biden plan was an attempt to “force people to take medicine they don’t want or need.” He called the initiative “the greatest scandal in my lifetime, by far.”

Mr. Carlson’s guest on that episode, the veteran Fox News political analyst Brit Hume, pushed back slightly, saying, “What they’re trying to do is make it as easy as possible for people to get the vaccine and, for people who are hesitant, to perhaps encourage them that they have nothing to fear.” Mr. Hume was quick to add that “vaccines do have side effects” and said those who are hesitant “should be respected.”

Opposition to vaccines was once relegated to the fringes of American politics, and the rhetoric on Fox News has coincided with efforts by right-wing extremists to bash vaccination efforts.

Served up to an audience that is more likely than the general population to be wary of Covid vaccines, the remarks by Mr. Carlson and Ms. Ingraham echoed a now-common conservative talking point — that the government-led effort to raise vaccination rates amounted to a violation of civil liberties and a waste of taxpayer dollars.

The comments by the Fox News hosts and their guests may have also helped cement vaccine skepticism in the conservative mainstream, even as the Biden administration’s campaign to inoculate the public is running into resistance in many parts of the country.

Public health experts have said that a strong vaccination effort is critical for the United States to outrun the virus, which has killed more than four million people worldwide and continues to mutate.

The amplification of vaccine skepticism through conservative media channels could harden the reluctance of those who might otherwise have been persuaded to get a shot, said Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a communications professor at the University of Pennsylvania.

“If you have constant exposure to an outlet that is raising vaccination hesitancy, raising questions about vaccinations, that is something to anchor you in your position that says, ‘I’m not going to take the vaccine,’” Ms. Jamieson said.

A Fox News spokeswoman provided past statements by Mr. Carlson voicing his general support for vaccines. “I’ve had a million vaccines in my life, as we all have,” the host said on an April show. “I think vaccines are great.” The spokeswoman also noted that Ms. Ingraham had spoken in favor of adults choosing to receive vaccines if they wanted them.

White House officials said on Thursday that virtually all new coronavirus hospitalizations and deaths nationwide involved unvaccinated people. The five states with the worst outbreaks as of Wednesday had below-average vaccination rates; four of them voted for President Donald J. Trump in the 2020 election.

Vaccine resistance was greater among Republicans than Democrats, according to an April study by the Public Religion Research Institute. Among Republicans who watch Fox News, 45 percent said they were hesitant or unwilling to get a Covid-19 shot, compared with 68 percent of viewers who watch the niche right-wing news channels Newsmax or One America News Network.

On his Wednesday program, Mr. Carlson went after colleges that have required students to be vaccinated before their return to campus.

“They shouldn’t get the shot,” said Mr. Carlson, who has not disclosed whether he is vaccinated against Covid-19. “It’s not good for them. There’s a risk involved, much higher than of Covid, but colleges are forcing them anyway.”

nyt
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 12 Jul, 2021 07:29 am
@hightor,
In Arkansas, Covid-19 cases surge as state combats vaccine skepticism
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Officials in the state are pulling out the stops to get people vaccinated. Arkansas not only has one of the lowest vaccine rates in the country -- only about a third of eligible people are fully vaccinated -- but is facing a troubling uptick in Covid-19 cases - fueled mostly by the emerging Delta variant of the virus.

"There's no question about it, our level of vaccination is not where we want it to be," Dr. Jose Romero, the Arkansas Secretary of Health, told CNN. "We have one third of our population fully immunized. But we need to get much higher levels in order to bring this under control."

The reasons that experts say people aren't getting the vaccine in Arkansas are varied. They cite pregnant women who are concerned about the impact of the vaccine on them and their unborn children, or people who want to see further FDA approval of the vaccines beyond the current emergency use authorizations. But there are also those who believe in conspiracy theories about the vaccine, the experts said.

Little Rock Mayor Frank Scott Jr. knows that skepticism well. It was something he grappled with himself.

"I'm someone, as a Black male, who has some heart burns about it," Scott said. "When you think about the Tuskegee (experiment), the HeLa cells, and that disheartening history of the past. I'm also someone who had never taken a flu shot."

But after losing family members to Covid, Scott said he found it even more important to encourage people to get the vaccine.

"I took the time as a leader to do the research," he said, "to get to understanding, and to be a leader and demonstrate to the residents of Little Rock that I wouldn't ask them to do anything that I wasn't willing to do."
... ... ...
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Glennn
 
  -1  
Mon 12 Jul, 2021 08:41 am
@glitterbag,
Reality check: That's not a rebuttal to anything.

You're having yet another complaint-attack, and are now beginning to look like you may have found someone to stalk. If you have no answers to anything I've said, try to stop yourself from pretending that you have anything to offer, since, so far, you've proven only that you have a desire to make this thread about your feelings about what I've said.
Glennn
 
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Mon 12 Jul, 2021 09:23 am
@edgarblythe,
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Do you have any verifiable evidence of that?

The US Center for Disease Control (CDC) is altering its practices of data logging and testing for “Covid19” in order to make it seem the experimental gene-therapy “vaccines” are effective at preventing the alleged disease.

They made no secret of this, announcing the policy changes on their website in late April/early May, (though naturally without admitting the fairly obvious motivation behind the change).

The trick is in their reporting of what they call “breakthrough infections” – that is people who are fully “vaccinated” against Sars-Cov-2 infection, but get infected anyway.

Essentially, Covid19 has long been shown – to those willing to pay attention – to be an entirely created pandemic narrative built on two key factors:

False-positive tests. The unreliable PCR test can be manipulated into reporting a high number of false-positives by altering the cycle threshold (CT value)
Inflated Case-count. The incredibly broad definition of “Covid case”, used all over the world, lists anyone who receives a positive test as a “Covid19 case”, even if they never experienced any symptoms.
Without these two policies, there would never have been an appreciable pandemic at all, and now the CDC has enacted two policy changes which means they no longer apply to vaccinated people.

Firstly, they are lowering their CT value when testing samples from suspected “breakthrough infections”.

From the CDC’s instructions for state health authorities on handling “possible breakthrough infections” (uploaded to their website in late April):

For cases with a known RT-PCR cycle threshold (Ct) value, submit only specimens with Ct value ≤28 to CDC for sequencing. (Sequencing is not feasible with higher Ct values.)

Throughout the pandemic, CT values in excess of 35 have been the norm, with labs around the world going into the 40s.

Essentially labs were running as many cycles as necessary to achieve a positive result, despite experts warning that this was pointless (even Fauci himself said anything over 35 cycles is meaningless).

But NOW, and only for fully vaccinated people, the CDC will only accept samples achieved from 28 cycles or fewer. That can only be a deliberate decision in order to decrease the number of “breakthrough infections” being officially recorded.

Secondly, asymptomatic or mild infections will no longer be recorded as “covid cases”.

That’s right. Even if a sample collected at the low CT value of 28 can be sequenced into the virus alleged to cause Covid19, the CDC will no longer be keeping records of breakthrough infections that don’t result in hospitalisation or death.

From their website:

As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward.

Just like that, being asymptomatic – or having only minor symptoms – will no longer count as a “Covid case” but only if you’ve been vaccinated.

The CDC has put new policies in place which effectively created a tiered system of diagnosis. Meaning, from now on, unvaccinated people will find it much easier to be diagnosed with Covid19 than vaccinated people.

Consider…

Person A has not been vaccinated. They test positive for Covid using a PCR test at 40 cycles and, despite having no symptoms, they are officially a “covid case”.

Person B has been vaccinated. They test positive at 28 cycles, and spend six weeks bedridden with a high fever. Because they never went into a hospital and didn’t die they are NOT a Covid case.

Person C, who was also vaccinated, did die. After weeks in hospital with a high fever and respiratory problems. Only their positive PCR test was 29 cycles, so they’re not officially a Covid case either.

The CDC is demonstrating the beauty of having a “disease” that can appear or disappear depending on how you measure it.

https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2021/05/22/cdc-changes-test-thresholds-to-virtually-eliminate-new-covid-cases-among-vaxxd
BillRM
 
  3  
Mon 12 Jul, 2021 09:55 am
@Glennn,
How does it feel to take part in a campaign that is resulting in unneeded deaths?

By the way are you like Trump who very very silently got the shots for himself ?
edgarblythe
 
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Mon 12 Jul, 2021 10:01 am
Despite all the disagreements of vaxers and antivaxers, one point I hold true is that the pandemic is far from over.
BillRM
 
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Mon 12 Jul, 2021 10:10 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Despite all the disagreements of vaxers and antivaxers, one point I hold true is that the pandemic is far from over.


The more the antivaxers can talk people into not getting the shots the longer the pandemic will be with us and but for them this health crises in the US at least would be mostly in the rear view mirror.
Mame
 
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Mon 12 Jul, 2021 11:02 am
(CNN)As the Delta variant rapidly spreads, US hot spots have seen climbing case numbers -- and an expert warns a "surprising amount of death" from Covid-19 could soon follow.

The US is averaging about 19,455 new cases over the last seven days, a 47% increase from the week prior, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. And a third of those, CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Jonathan Reiner said, come from five hot spots: Florida, Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri and Nevada.

"In places like Missouri where ICUs are packed, you're going to see a surprising amount of death," Reiner said on Sunday.

At Mercy Hospital in Springfield, Missouri, 91% of ICU patients are on ventilators and many are in their 20s, 30s and 40s, Chief Administrative Officer Erik Frederick told CNN on Saturday. That is especially concerning, he said, because at the peak last year there were only 40 to 50% of ICU patients on ventilators.

Typically, spikes in Covid-19 cases leads to a rise in death rates three to four weeks later as a small percentage of the infected are hospitalized and deteriorate. "We will start to see an increase in mortality in this country," Reiner said.

What is particularly frustrating for many experts, Reiner said, is that the deaths are "completely avoidable" now that vaccines are available. But about one-third of those 12 and older in the US haven't received the vaccine yet, CDC data shows.

"The vaccines we have work really well against this variant. It doesn't need to be this way," Reiner said.

Dr. Howard Jarvis, an emergency medicine physician in Springfield, told CNN on Monday that his sick patients are all unvaccinated.

"If they're sick enough to be admitted to the hospital, they are unvaccinated. That is the absolute common denominator amongst those patients," he said. "I can see the regret on their face. You know, we ask them, because we want to know, are you vaccinated? And it's very clear that a lot of them regret (not being vaccinated)."

Across the country, more than 99% of US Covid-19 deaths in June were among unvaccinated people, said Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The pace of vaccinations has also dropped sharply in the past few months. About 246,000 people initiated vaccination each day over the past week, down 88% from the April peak, and about 278,000 people became fully vaccinated each day over the past week, down 84% from the April peak, CDC data shows.
"We really need to get more people vaccinated, because that's the solution," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Monday on "CBS This Morning." "This virus will, in fact, be protected against by the vaccine."

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engineer
 
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Mon 12 Jul, 2021 11:07 am
@BillRM,
I think that is the sad part. This should never have become politicized. Who pandemic in the US would be over now if people have just gotten their vaccinations when they were available.
Mame
 
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Mon 12 Jul, 2021 11:14 am
Majority of COVID-19 infections, deaths now among unvaccinated people in Canada: Data

Data from the Public Health Agency of Canada found that, as of June 21, the country’s “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for just over 2,700 cases — about 0.5 per cent — of all reported infections from 10 provinces and territories since the vaccine rollout started.

Of those fully vaccinated infections, only 66 of those cases died due to COVID-19, compared to the estimated 13,000 deaths that occurred across the country since the start of the rollout in December.

The vaccine’s effectiveness, even for those who were partially vaccinated, was evident, according to the data. There was a total of 24,469 partially vaccinated COVID-19 cases, which accounted for 4 per cent of all infections since the first vaccines started being administered in Canada.

Again, severe outcomes from contracting COVID-19 — including death — were heavily reduced with just one shot, with 484 or 2 per cent of those partially vaccinated infections having died due to the virus.

“Of the vaccinated individuals, only 0.0027 per cent died due to COVID-19 while partially vaccinated and 0.0018 per cent died due to COVID-19 while fully vaccinated”.

(Globalnews)

“While I’m aware of one or maybe two patients who have been (immunized) with COVID, the vast majority, over 95 per cent of patients who require hospitalization have not been vaccinated for whatever reason,” Lang said.

“There’s no question that the real-life experience reflects the clinical research data, which is that you are very unlikely to require hospitalization if you’ve been vaccinated. The only people coming in are, for the most part, the unvaccinated.”

(Calgary Herald)
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oralloy
 
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Mon 12 Jul, 2021 12:22 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
I think that is the sad part. This should never have become politicized. Who pandemic in the US would be over now if people have just gotten their vaccinations when they were available.

And let’s remember that it was progressives who politicized it.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 12 Jul, 2021 12:44 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
And let’s remember that it was progressives who politicized it.
Indeed. The politicisation started with the progressive Senator Tom Cotton's tweet when he made the connection between the virus and a lab in Wuhan on January 30 last year.


But seriously: blaming the one or other party seems for this or that to be something usual in the USA.
I suppose, if a geologist says the estimate of a particular rock formation’s age needs to be revised from 25 million years to 30 million years, this could likely collide with anyone’s political views as well.
oralloy
 
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Mon 12 Jul, 2021 12:49 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Claiming that it was a lab accident is hardly politicizing it.

It was politicized when progressives started blaming Mr. Trump for the pandemic and denying his key role in developing the vaccines.
 

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