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What's the deal with this "coronavirus" people are talking about?

 
 
jespah
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2020 09:31 am
@JGoldman10,
Flu shots are given to prevent disease. There's no other purpose behind them. Now, I don't want you to get sick, please don't misunderstand me.

But you're trying to have your cake and eat it, too. You're claiming to not be afraid of the coronavirus or any diseases, yet you've gotten a flu shot.

Flu shots are not free to make and they are not in an unlimited supply. It's a very responsible thing to get one. I am not knocking that.

But it's really a simple equation. If you claim to not be concerned about any diseases, and that the lord will protect you from everything, then why get a flu shot? That would imply concern about one disease - and rightfully so. It would also imply that you feel the lord is incapable of keeping you from getting influenza.

If you're not concerned about any diseases, then that should include the flu. If God will protect you from every disease and calamity, then that includes the flu.

Oh, and by the way, if you're more concerned about the flu because it's here, versus the coronavirus, think again. The coronavirus has not been well contained at all, despite the quarantines you're hearing about. This is why we're seeing the number of cases continuing rising, and the rise is accelerating. It is already on our shores although, thankfully, no one here has died of it yet. But give that time.

Both of these diseases come from Asia. Not every flight from Asia is grounded. There could be someone who has not yet shown symptoms who is flying to the nearest airport to where you live. I'm not suggesting you go running in the streets in a panic.

I'm just saying, your statements are contradictory.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2020 01:23 pm
@JGoldman10,
Let us stay with the facts. You mistankenly stated I said I am afraid of the virus. I did not. I have gotten a flue shot because in the past I have contracted the flue. I would rather not do so again. But afraid of it, no. Either I will or will not catch it.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2020 03:30 pm
@JGoldman10,
Come to think of it, why do you need healthcare?
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2020 03:42 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:

Quote:
I'm a Christian. I am not concerned about contracting any diseases.


I haven't read any of the previous posts. But I don't think I have read anything so ridiculous in my life on these threads for years.

I am a Christian too, but I am so scared of this disease, I am afraid to go very far on vacation this summer. Maybe KY lake up in the woods with a camper and no one around...


These are your exact words. What disease are you "afraid" of, if you're not referring to the coronavirus?
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2020 03:44 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Let us stay with the facts. You mistakenly stated I said I am afraid of the virus. I did not. I have gotten a flu shot because in the past I have contracted the flu. I would rather not do so again. But afraid of it, no. Either I will or will not catch it.


Okay. My mistake. I was confusing you with Revelette3. I apologise.
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2020 03:49 pm
I remember not that long ago the media talked about swine flu and shingles and encouraged the general public to get inoculated against them. How big of a threat were these diseases?

What other diseases in recent years did the media talk about and encourage people to get inoculated against? How big of a threat were they?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 01:23 am
@JGoldman10,
Once people get inoculated against a disease it stops being a threat.

The Spanish flu epidemic that followed WW1 killed more people than died in the trenches.

The Coronavirus is similar, and most worrying, is infectious before symptoms develop, just one slight mutation could turn it into a pandemic every bit as deadly as Spanish flu.

RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 09:51 pm
@izzythepush,
Trump says not to worry. He has things under control. He sent us this message from his bunker with at least 12 doctors around him.
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longly1
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 11:02 pm
I am a Christian, a follower of Christ, but I am also a philosophical scientist, one who believes in the scientific process. I don’t believe the two to be exclusionary. Medical technology has proven to be beneficial. It makes sense to get a flu shot so I do. Getting a flu shot not only benefits me but the individuals I might come in contact with if I were infected with the flu. But as a Christian I try not to fear anything and when my time comes to die it is my hope the lord will give me the strength to face the end with peace.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2020 12:50 pm
This thread is close enough and bordering on Christian Science territory here. Maybe we can tempt JGoldman into considering switching teams. The Christian Science Church is desperate for some new blood.

We can see if JGoldman can become completely immune to all diseases based on a 100% faith based health plan.
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2020 01:05 pm
What caused the coronavirus that everyone is talking about? Was it some evil scientists involved in germ warfare or something else?
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2020 01:45 pm
@JGoldman10,
JGoldman10 wrote:

What caused the coronavirus that everyone is talking about? Was it some evil scientists involved in germ warfare or something else?

I sincerely hope this is a facetious question and not an earnest one.

Evolution caused coronavirus. Mother Nature caused coronavirus. I think the odds that evil scientists were involved are on par with winning the lottery. Very astronomically slim on the conspiracy spectrum.

In your broken logic/worldview? God caused coronavirus. She, after all, works in mysterious ways.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2020 02:11 pm
@JGoldman10,
What a stupid thing to say. This, like most outbreaks was caused when animal viruses jumped to humans. Each species has its own germs that don't normally do much harm because it's not in their interest to kill the host. When germs jump to another species it can be deadly.

The centre of the outbreak was a wild meat market which has subsequently been shut down.

They eat all sorts in China as Karl Pilkington found out. (I don't know if this is the same market, most likely not, but it should give you some idea.)

oliviaturner
 
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Reply Thu 27 Feb, 2020 11:30 pm
@revelette3,
I'm scared of Chinese sometimes
jespah
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2020 06:10 am
@oliviaturner,
Takeout? Cinema? Crested dogs?
revelette3
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2020 11:09 am
Quote:
Coronavirus testing widened as California case makes containment more urgent

The four-day delay in testing a California woman for coronavirus highlights how a faulty test and, until Thursday, a narrow definition of who should be tested have hindered the United States’ ability to track how widely the disease has spread. Infectious-disease experts worry the disease may be spreading undetected in other places.

Those concerns were stoked by the emergence of the nation’s first case of community transmission in Northern California, where hospital administrators contend the patient, a woman, was not tested when clinicians requested it because she did not meet strict Centers for Disease Control and Prevention criteria that recommended testing only those with symptoms who recently returned from China, or who had close contact with a person confirmed to be infected with covid-19.

“We have just a few hundred testing kits in the state of California,” Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) said Thursday at a news conference. “That’s simply inadequate to do justice to the kind of testing that is required to address this issue head on. . . . Testing protocols have been a point of frustration for many of us.”

You don’t know what you don’t know unless you’re testing,” he added.
The CDC put out a statement Thursday night disputing that it had denied doctors’ request to test the California woman.

“A preliminary review of CDC records indicates that CDC was first informed about this case on Sunday, Feb. 23, said the statement from spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund. “That same day, CDC requested specimens from the patient to test for covid19 exposure. Test results were confirmed and communicated on Wednesday.”

The problems underscored by the California case include the limited availability of tests — which were shipped out to labs nationwide with a problematic component that is only now being corrected — and the federal testing criteria, which had become outdated as the outbreak evolved from being centered in China to spreading in more than three dozen countries. On Thursday, the CDC also expanded federal guidelines to include testing for people who have unexplained severe respiratory symptoms and people with symptoms who have recently traveled to Iran, Italy, Japan or South Korea.

Newsom said the state was working with the CDC to get more testing kits and the ability to do tests without shipping samples across the country.

“There’s a desperate need to do more testing,” said Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. “The point is to find out if, like many other countries, we have undetected chains of transmission that we’re just not detecting.”

While Lipsitch said that Guangdong province in China had conducted more than 300,000 tests in fever clinics, the United States has tested 445 people, not including those who were evacuated. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said Thursday that 3,600 tests have been run but did not clarify how many people had received them.

In addition, the tests sent out nationwide earlier this month had a faulty component that has required most samples to be sent to the CDC in Atlanta for analysis. There were signs Thursday that federal health officials were correcting those problems. As of 9 a.m. Thursday, Scott Becker, executive director of the Association of Public Health Laboratories, said he was aware of only eight public health labs currently able to run tests but that about 40 more labs are expected to come online very shortly. And he said he expected all 100 public health labs across the country to be able to run tests by the end of two weeks.

Infectious-disease experts and others had been calling for the expanding of testing criteria for some time.

“It’s long overdue that [testing criteria] be broadened,” said Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. He said the reason testing should include people with unexplained symptoms is because “travel history will become less important as we have community spread in countries around the world, as well as perhaps in the United States.”

He also said that it is important to test people with mild symptoms; right now, the emphasis is on those with lower respiratory symptoms, including coughing or shortness of breath, versus symptoms such as runny noses and sore throats. “But testing people with milder symptoms will give us an understanding of how widespread this is in the community,” Adalja said.
Hawaii Lt. Gov. Josh Green, who is an emergency physician, gave the example of a person who arrived in his state with flulike symptoms earlier this week from Las Vegas.

“Very likely, he had the flu; he hadn’t been in a region of concern for a full month, but it would have been very convenient to test,” Green said.
Some people who have fallen ill with what they fear may be the coronavirus are also upset they haven’t been able to get tested because they haven’t met the CDC criteria.

A 57-year-old woman who lives in New York City said that her husband developed a severe sore throat after returning from a business trip to South Korea in mid-February. He got a strep test, which came back negative. Ten days later, she got sick, with many more symptoms, including aches and pains, headache, congestion, and fever. Her doctor wanted her tested for the coronavirus, but she wasn’t eligible because she hadn’t traveled to a country with widespread transmission or been in contact with someone known to be infected.

“The testing needs to be broadened,” said the woman, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing privacy concerns. “If you don’t test, you don’t find. This is irresponsible.”

The woman said she has decided to self-quarantine for several days but worries that other people might not suspect they are infected and will pass on the virus. “It’s a Catch-22 that will put the weak and elderly at risk,” she added.

Jeff Engel, executive director of the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists, said that the tests not working has been the biggest impediment, in part because public health officials need to gain experience using them as they ramp up.

“I think the biggest disappointment was not getting field experience on laboratory testing,” Engel said. “We’ve already lost two weeks on that, and I think that was the biggest blow to progress.”

Officials are taking steps to try to fix the test. One of the three reagents, or components of the test, was giving inconclusive results when many laboratories were trying to verify that it was working. Public health labs received guidance late Wednesday afternoon that would allow them to go ahead with tests using two of the three components, if they were able to get those working. New test kits are expected to be sent out to labs next week.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/coronavirus-testing-california/

Now it seems we have to rely on Pence to get information on the virus? I heard it on MSNBC.

'Lord'. Sickening administration in every way!
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2020 11:20 am
Brian Schatz
@brianschatz
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Feb 26
It would be incredibly useful to the public if the CDC would separately do a briefing, and the networks could carry it as a public service. No politicians, no politics. Just info.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2020 03:12 pm
@jespah,
Checkers? Laundry?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2020 04:08 pm
@Sturgis,
Detectives, they always get to the bottom of things.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2020 05:52 pm
@jespah,

ancient secret?
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