Impeachment: The Process Begins

The Senate passed a non-binding resolution to release the whistleblower report. This passed 100-0 (every Republican voted yes).

It's time to start laying the groundwork for impeaching the next Democratic president (whenever that may be).

It would be good to hit them with impeachment proceedings as soon as they take the oath of office.

Oralloy, you don't seem to realize that somethings are worse than other things. Let me put this in terms you might find easier to understand.

- If someone shoots their wife, that is wrong.
- If someone fires their gun in self defense, it is not wrong.

The argument you are making is that if shooting in self-defense is allowed, than shooting your wife should be allowed too.

In truth, these are two completely different circumstances. Only one is a crime.

Wait! Are you saying he also discussed the U.S.A. elections and the Bidens with Salome Zourabichvili? I am aware (as likely you are too), that Mr.Trump had allegedly talked these things through with the Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky; however, I didn't know about the Georgian President.

As I seem to be unable to locate a news link for the Georgian conversation, would you be so kind as to provide it?

Oops My mistake. I was thinking about Georgia for some reason. You are correct of course.

It is just as wrong for Democrats to break the law as it is for Republicans to break the law.

It is just as wrong for Democrats to abuse their power as it is for Republicans to abuse their power.

Now, it may be awhile before we see a Democratic president again, but we should lay the groundwork for impeaching that Democratic president right now so we can hit him or her with an endless witch hunt from their first day in office.

Quite a big difference between the two, Ukraine very much part of Europe while Georgia is about as far East as Iran.

I can't help thinking that this is a trap. Trump loves this, and so do his supporters. Look how terribly I'm being treated," he'll whine. "You're just trying to overturn the '16 election!" they'll scream. The Republicans will never support vote to convict Trump; the Democrats will look divided, desperate, and in disarray. This is the last thing the country needs...and Trump knows this. That's why he's forced their hand.

I don't think it's a trap. There two criteria to make impeachment successful,

1) A smoking gun.
2) A simple narrative that describes why what Trump did is unacceptable.

We need to know what is on the tape and in the report. But I think this time is different.

Thank you Izzy. That was very helpful.

Will his base see it that way? We see, on this site, that his supporters have woven a complete counter-narrative which posits that all Trump's transgressions are actually part of a plot by Hillary, the MSM, and the "deep state" to destroy his presidency. They'll see it as the prophesy being fulfilled!



Again, his supporters have an alternative narrative, use alternative facts, and live in a nation ruled by alternative law.



It'll be interesting if it's not the slam dunk everyone seems to think it is. I can't imagine Trump releasing it if it doesn't back up his version of events.

The fanatic base isn't in play. They need to turn a clear majority of Americans against Trump. They don't need to turn the core.

In the Nixon case, it all fell apart when Republican Senators indicated they could no longer defend the president. In the Clinton case Democratic senators held firm.

If there is a clear narrative wrongdoing and a smoking gun, there will be a great deal of public pressure put on Republican Senators to stop defending Trump. That is the whole game I think.

You are wrong about releasing the tape.

He pretty much has to release the tape no matter what is on it. Once the press starts talking "cover up" Trump loses any control over the narrative.

Even of the tape is damning, they will release it, try to control the spin, and hope for the best.

We will see soon enough.

Trump Asked Ukrainian President For 'A Favor' On Biden; DOJ Says No Charges

There was a Republican Congressman and diehard Trump loyalist being interviewed on the Today programme this morning. He said he couldn't think of one Republican member who would support impeachment regardless of what came out, and that in his opinion the one independent would probably shy away from it to.

If Congress won't play ball impeachment won't happen.

I don't know if it has done him any damage, his base are psychotic, when Trump joked about shooting someone he was making a serious point. His base will forgive anything.

I am pretty sure there will be Republican house members who vote for impeachment. We will see if I am right, maybe over the next few weeks.

The real battle is in the Senate. In the Nixon impeachment, when Republican senators told Nixon that they could no longer support him, he had no choice but to resign.

You don't mind me commenting on your thread then. It's not interference in your electoral process any more?

I've never been one to blow my own trumpet so I was shocked to discover I had had as much influence on your presidential election as the FSB and all associated agencies combined.

I'll try really hard not to swing any more elections. If you think I'm in danger of overthrowing any more democratically elected governments please let me know.

It turns out nothing has changed since Speaker Pelosi's announcement yesterday, No new select House Committee to consider the impeachment issue has been commissioned. Instead the Nadler & Schiff comedies in the House Judiciary & Intelligence committees will continue as ineffectively as they have done so far. More than anything else it appears that Speaker Pelosi may have lost control of the Democrat delegation in the House to the left wing zealots who are doing all they can to secure a Democrat defeat in the next election.

The stock market is up, as are Trump's favorability ratings.

Trump is certainly an egoist and a vulgarian of the first rank, however the policy initiatives he has made, both in internal and international matters have so far benefitted the country and the welfare of most Americans, and has done so to much greater effect than those of his predecessor. I believe that fact will not be lost on most voters. Indeed as a partly related fact, people are becoming increasingly aware of the fact that the "wealth gap" among Americans is for the most part far greater in Blue states governed by liberals than in states with conservative governance.

If i dont respond to this directly by October 25, please ping me so i can admit how wrong I was.

Ar this time I will point put that people who underestimate Nancy Pelosi generally regret it.