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Impeachment: The Process Begins

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2020 09:13 am
@MontereyJack,
No. I provide intelligent arguments instead of relying on childish name-calling.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2020 09:18 am
@MontereyJack,
BREAKING NEWS: fro cnn
Quote:
GAO report finds Trump administration violated law by withholding Ukraine aid. Details to come.

no witch hunt
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2020 09:20 am
@oralloy,
only if you consider blah blah intelligent
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2020 09:22 am
@MontereyJack,
Your disregard for facts does not mean that factual arguments are not intelligent.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2020 09:24 am
@MontereyJack,
When Democrats abuse the law to harm people for merely disagreeing with them, that's a witch hunt.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2020 09:45 am
@oralloy,


when trump breaks the law, pointing it out is far from a witch hunt. it's called truth.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2020 09:52 am
@MontereyJack,
True. Pointing out alleged law-breaking is not a witch hunt.

But it's a witch hunt when Democrats use the law as a weapon to harm people who disagree with them.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2020 11:00 am
@oralloy,
Dems don't. Gop does.⁶
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2020 11:07 am
@MontereyJack,
That is incorrect. The Democrats have waged witch hunts against Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George W Bush, and Donald Trump, all for merely not agreeing with the Democrats.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2020 11:10 am
@oralloy,
And in each case facts proved the accusers were right. Its never a "Witch hunt " when the facts and evidence are with your side. I dont know where you get that BS.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2020 11:21 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
And in each case facts proved the accusers were right.

Wrong. In the case of Scooter Libby, the Democrats maliciously framed an innocent person.

In all of the other cases, while the act may well have occurred, there was nothing even remotely wrong with the act to begin with.


farmerman wrote:
Its never a "Witch hunt" when the facts and evidence are with your side.

Wrong again. Abusing the law to harm people who disagree with you would still be a witch hunt even if it ultimately discovered real wrongdoing.


farmerman wrote:
I dont know where you get that BS.

Morality and ethics are hardly BS. I get them from having had a responsible upbringing.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2020 11:39 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Wrong. In the case of Scooter Libby
Youre fulla ****. Libby was on TAPE revealing Valeri Plaim's name and having a sentence "commuted" doesnt change his guilt on all counts.


Quote:
Abusing the law to harm people who disagree with you would still be a witch
No, its USING the law. SHould we pardon murderers and thieves too?
Vey dumass responses there


Quote:
Morality and ethics are hardly BS. I get them from having had a responsible upbringing
Were your parents Jivaros??, then I could sorta understnd where yer "morality" is rooted
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2020 12:03 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
SHould we pardon murderers and thieves too?

You guys are working on that.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2020 12:18 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Youre fulla ****.

I merely have ethics and morality. It leads me to have a different perspective from progressives.


farmerman wrote:
Libby was on TAPE revealing Valeri Plaim's name

I think you're lying. Do you have a cite proving the existence of the this alleged tape?

That said, discussing Plame with reporters after her name has already been revealed is NOT revealing it.


farmerman wrote:
and having a sentence "commuted" doesnt change his guilt on all counts.

No such guilt. The Democrats framed an innocent person for an imaginary crime.


farmerman wrote:
No, its USING the law.

Using the law as a weapon to harm people who merely disagree with you is an abuse of the law.


farmerman wrote:
Vey dumass responses there

That is the usual progressive attitude towards ethics and morality.


farmerman wrote:
Were your parents Jivaros??, then I could sorta understnd where yer "morality" is rooted

Again the usual progressive disregard for ethics and morality.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2020 10:04 am
Well the trial in the Senate begins today. This comes, of course, on the heels of the latest failed Democrat effort to influence the outcome through the "testimony" of yet another obscure (and in this case unsavory) player in the Ukrainian game. So far Democrat efforts to extend their flimsy investigation into the trial itself appear to have only highlighted the flagrant hypocrisy of their Congressional leaders on this issue, while the sunlight has left the Democrat case looking weaker and weaker. Their almost fanatical eagerness and haste, to remove Trump from office through impeachment looks more and more deranged and desperate. Meanwhile, current discussion among Republicans appears to be focused on whether to dismiss the case out of hand, or to pursue acquittal through a review of the respective cases.

Democrats are approaching the 2020 elections with a very divided party, the left wing of which is populated with unelectable novices, liars and fanatic socialists, and a (so far) preferred presidential Candidate (Biden) who has arguably been damaged more by the Impeachment process than has President Trump. Meanwhile the economy continues to outperform previous norms, yielding very low unemployment and now rising wages for the middle class, and Trump continues to achieve incremental successes on border controls, trade issues, foreign relations and other matters.

Public awareness of the fact that Congressional democrats have wasted the last two years in a fanatical pursuit of impeachment, while failing to address or attend to important legislative issues before the country has risen. These issues range from immigration to the impending collapse of Obama's student loan programs and the rapid inflation of College tuitions it caused, to infrastructure investment and health care reform.

In all of this it is very hard to view the Democrat Leadership as anything but deranged and inept. They have for the past two years played to their own weaknesses and Trump's strengths. I suspect this will be the new focus of political analysts after the coming election.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2020 11:04 am
@oralloy,
No ethics no morality.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2020 01:16 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
No ethics no morality.

You know 0 about either or that post would be longer, wouldn't it?
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2020 01:27 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
No ethics no morality.

Wrong again. My opposition to framing innocent people for imaginary crimes demonstrates very clear ethics and morality on my part.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2020 01:39 pm
@georgeob1,
So, why don't the Republicans want Bolton to testify?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2020 01:56 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
So, why don't the Republicans want Bolton to testify?

Because it will destroy Executive privilege, a power used by presidents since the country's founding. Republicans are adhering to the Constitution and refuse to weaken the equal power of the Executive branch.
 

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