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George Galloway blasts the Senate

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2005 03:44 am
McTag wrote:
Chistopher Hitchens was on the radio this morning, on the "Start The Week" programme, talking about the Iraq situation and George Galloway.
Interesting. And not complimentary.


Was it on BBC? Can you find a link, McTag?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2005 11:29 pm
JTT wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Identify an example of expulsion and I might be able to answer your question.

I doubt Galloway's expulsion was any less of an exception in the UK than it might of been in the US.


Well, there are party rule, a party constitution.

These are the charges on which George Galloway was expelled from the Labour Party:
he incited Arabs to fight British troops
he incited British troops to defy orders
he threatened to stand against Labour
he backed an anti-war candidate in Preston
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(As said earlier already on this thread.)


The first two charges seem to be deserving of expulsion from any political party.

The second two are inconsequential and would never have been exerted on their own.

I can't recall any similar situation in the US, but expect that if such a miscreant held office here he would be charged with treason, and rightly so, as opposed to the slap on the wrist of banishment from a political party.


My my but aren't you the hypocrite, FB. Here you are in the abortion thread chastizing someone for their lack of "factual support".


Finn d'Abuzz
#1: Presumably you can validate your assertion with factual support.


You may as well have gotten a billboard. "Finn d'Abuzz is a hypocrite!"


#2: There is a presumption in your post that there is some significance to this trend (assuming it is accurate).

There is an assumption in your post that there is some significance to these charges. News Alert, Buzz, George Galloway was right in opposing an illegal war.

#3: Your use of the term "so-called," reveals your bias and should be instructive to all who read this thread and/or respond.

There's no need for me to point out your bias.


Precisely what factual proof do you accuse me of ducking?

Yes, I am making an assumption that the Galloway charges were significant. Since they resulted in him being thrown out of his Party I think it's appropriate to consider them significant. I'll bet you Galloway thought them significant.

There is a need for you to point out my bias if you wish us to take you seriously.

Of course I could just as easily respond there is no need to point out why your are a idiot, but that would be a pretty lame tact to take.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2005 11:46 pm
JTT wrote:

Was it on BBC? Can you find a link, McTag?


He'll be on again tomorrow, at 20:30 GMT, on BBC 3.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2005 11:50 pm
JTT wrote:
McTag wrote:
Chistopher Hitchens was on the radio this morning, on the "Start The Week" programme, talking about the Iraq situation and George Galloway.
Interesting. And not complimentary.


Was it on BBC? Can you find a link, McTag?


et voila

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/starttheweek.shtml

The BBC website is very good. You can listen to selected programmes up to five days after broadcast, online.

Take a look. There is another (3-part) prog on Radio4 at the moment about Samuel Johnson's dictionary, and these times. Fascinating.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2005 03:10 am
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

Precisely what factual proof do you accuse me of ducking?

None. I said you were a hypocrite. You've proved me right.

Yes, I am making an assumption that the Galloway charges were significant. Since they resulted in him being thrown out of his Party I think it's appropriate to consider them significant. I'll bet you Galloway thought them significant.

There is a need for you to point out my bias if you wish us to take you seriously.

Shocked Confused Surprised ... Oh well, why fight it? Very Happy [Finn hands the gun to JTT and grinning from ear to ear, jumps into the barrel.]

I am making an assumption that the Galloway charges were significant.


Of course I could just as easily respond there is no need to point out why your [sic] are a idiot, but that would be a pretty lame tact to take.

Not 'pretty', Finn, an exceedingly lame tact, exceedingly.

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sumac
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2005 10:06 am
Galloway has just been taken out of the news. Deep Throat identity revealed:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1371088#1371088
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2005 10:11 am
sumac wrote:
Galloway has just been taken out of the news. Deep Throat identity revealed:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1371088#1371088


Galloway was in the news?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2005 10:17 am
McTag wrote:
sumac wrote:
Galloway has just been taken out of the news. Deep Throat identity revealed:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1371088#1371088


Galloway was in the news?


Who?
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2005 06:05 pm
JTT wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

Precisely what factual proof do you accuse me of ducking?

None. I said you were a hypocrite. You've proved me right.

Yes, I am making an assumption that the Galloway charges were significant. Since they resulted in him being thrown out of his Party I think it's appropriate to consider them significant. I'll bet you Galloway thought them significant.

There is a need for you to point out my bias if you wish us to take you seriously.

Shocked Confused Surprised ... Oh well, why fight it? Very Happy [Finn hands the gun to JTT and grinning from ear to ear, jumps into the barrel.]

I am making an assumption that the Galloway charges were significant.


Of course I could just as easily respond there is no need to point out why your [sic] are a idiot, but that would be a pretty lame tact to take.

Not 'pretty', Finn, an exceedingly lame tact, exceedingly.



Drunk JTT: At least when you are insulting and condescending, you throw in lots of bells & whistles ... multiple type faces, colors, italics ... I need to sit down and rest just taking it all in.
Very Happy Smile Sad Surprised Shocked Confused Cool Laughing Mad Razz Embarrassed Crying or Very sad Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil Rolling Eyes :wink: Exclamation Question Idea Arrow Shazam.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2005 10:00 pm
JTT wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

Precisely what factual proof do you accuse me of ducking?

None. I said you were a hypocrite. You've proved me right.

Yes, I am making an assumption that the Galloway charges were significant. Since they resulted in him being thrown out of his Party I think it's appropriate to consider them significant. I'll bet you Galloway thought them significant.

There is a need for you to point out my bias if you wish us to take you seriously.

Shocked Confused Surprised ... Oh well, why fight it? Very Happy [Finn hands the gun to JTT and grinning from ear to ear, jumps into the barrel.]

I am making an assumption that the Galloway charges were significant.


Of course I could just as easily respond there is no need to point out why your [sic] are a idiot, but that would be a pretty lame tact to take.

Not 'pretty', Finn, an exceedingly lame tact, exceedingly.



Obviously you are unwilling or incapable of responding in any way but an obtuse, self satisfying and insulting fashion. You may find it amusing; I find it tiring. Come back when you are prepared to debate intelligently.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2005 11:18 pm
A tact is not a tack nor a tactic. Am I right?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2005 11:21 pm
Certainly seems a silly use of "tact." Taking a tack, however, refers to sailing across the wind. The best of sailing vessels cannot sail much closer to the wind than forty-five degrees. Therefore, to sail east against an easterly, it is necessary to tack, sailing first north-east and then sailing south-east. Taking a different tack simply means to change course in a discussion, debate or slanging match in an attempt to keep or regain the upper hand . . . all so to speak, of course . . .
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 01:37 am
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
JTT wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

Precisely what factual proof do you accuse me of ducking?

None. I said you were a hypocrite. You've proved me right.

Yes, I am making an assumption that the Galloway charges were significant. Since they resulted in him being thrown out of his Party I think it's appropriate to consider them significant. I'll bet you Galloway thought them significant.

There is a need for you to point out my bias if you wish us to take you seriously.

Shocked Confused Surprised ... Oh well, why fight it? Very Happy [Finn hands the gun to JTT and grinning from ear to ear, jumps into the barrel.]

I am making an assumption that the Galloway charges were significant.


Of course I could just as easily respond there is no need to point out why your [sic] are a idiot, but that would be a pretty lame tact to take.

Not 'pretty', Finn, an exceedingly lame tact, exceedingly.



Obviously you are unwilling or incapable of responding in any way but an obtuse, self satisfying and insulting fashion. You may find it amusing; I find it tiring. Come back when you are prepared to debate intelligently.


I'm more than willing to do so, Finn but let's establish a few ground rules. You can't chastize someone for being careless with facts and turn around spouting "assumptions". The only one that's allowed to be that hypocritical here at A2K is Setanta. Smile

All joking aside, actually that's what a lot of the 'conservative side' do here. They argue with little to nothing in the way of proof to substantiate their positions. Oft-repeated talking points don't count as proof.

Neither do slanderous assumptions, such as the ones you made against George Galloway count as proof. It's even worse when you ignore the FACTS, presented by your OWN Senate, that point to the blackened pots calling the apparently clean kettles dirty.

Excuse me for having to point this out. But, as I said, in this last spate of postings from the pen of Finn dAbuzz, the pejorative adjectives I used to describe you were glaringly apparent. They verily, leapt off the page.

Back to the discussion.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 05:32 am
JTT wrote:

.... that's what a lot of the 'conservative side' do here. They argue with little to nothing in the way of proof to substantiate their positions. Oft-repeated talking points don't count as proof.


Odd, this is a fairly accurate description of your rhetorical style. You also salt it with childish expressions of outrage and disapproval, which have little foundation in fact or reason. Of course there is the sweeping generality with which you started the above quote -- that is typical too.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 06:12 am
Sorry for straying a bit off topic but this is priceless.


Video available at,

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

under the title; "Bush Press Conference"

Commenting on AI's characterization of Guantanamo as the "gulag of our times", President Bush said it was not reasonable for Amnesty to base their decisions on,

"people who hate America, people that had been trained, in some instances, to disasemble, ... , ... that means to not tell the truth."
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 02:51 pm
The mystery is, why do conservatives have to get dumber?


hehehehe
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 03:17 am
Conservative "dumbth" seems to increase proportionately with levels of liberal omniscience.
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 03:33 am
And if you want a real primer on liberal literacy, go to JTT's cited source (crooksand liars.com ... of course) for that video and check out the comments section. Those pummeling GWB's gaffe can't seem to connect more than three words without using various grammatical variations of the f-word ... oh yeah ... that means to engage in sexual intercourse.

Idiots.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 05:07 am
WhoodaThunk wrote:
And if you want a real primer on liberal literacy, go to JTT's cited source (crooksand liars.com ... of course) for that video and check out the comments section. Those pummeling GWB's gaffe can't seem to connect more than three words without using various grammatical variations of the f-word ... oh yeah ... that means to engage in sexual intercourse.

Idiots.


None of the "myriad" examples [there were five Rolling Eyes ] that you mention, Whooda, are verb forms meaning, "to engage in sexual intercourse". That's NONE! And in all five instances, the grammar was perfect, albeit colorful.

Are you perchance, offering this as a primer on parsing language, a sort of Whooda's Guide to Grammar & Language?

Whoodahasn'tthunk.

GB's gaff was funny, Whooda, it was just funny. Save your smoke and mirrors for something more important.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 05:28 am
A lot of disassembling going on.

Plus ca change
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