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George Galloway blasts the Senate

 
 
sumac
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 08:27 pm
Well, well, well.

Gone for a mere 2 days and came back to a discussion that was 29 pages longer than when I left it. TWENTY NINE PAGES!.

I dutifully read it all, in the hopes of learning something that I did not know before I left. Nope, didn't happen.

The Hitchens columm was interesting, in its way. The bickering got tiresome and boring, eventually. The brief foray into points of law and what had and had not actually transpired in courts of law (...eh...), Let's see, what else was there?

Nothing.....just a lot of hashing and rehashing about Galloway's character, past behavior or at least allegations to such, historical footnotes about his relationship to the Labour Party, his wife, his confidante or second in command, blah blah. All of which, or none of which, actually; have or had anything to with the impact of his appearance before the Senate.

But I rather still like the phrase 'bitch slapping', although deeply sexist in its derivation.

Also, it was me (I? - am being dense here in remembering which is correct) who first brought up Anderson's "The Emporer and his Clothes" (he's in the altogether, the altogether, he's altogether as naked as the day that he was born). Setanta picked it up later, and his use of it was misinterpreted by someone.

From that point there ensued a couple of pages of bitch slapping.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 08:51 pm
chiczaira wrote:
Blatham's link is indeed interesting but when I read it I found NO ACCOUNT of the votes in the US Senate and the House of Representatives which gave President Bush to auhority to go to war with Iraq.

One can only wonder at the mystifying power wielded by a man who the left thinks is quite inadequate. Just how was he able to convince a large majority of the House and Senate to grant him authority to go to war? Certainly, the Senate and House Intelligence committees had information about Iraq and WMD's.


Your style makes you evident. I won't be addressing you here or anywhere else.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 08:55 pm
Lash made a comment suggesting that Chiczaira is Italgato in a different garb. She, of course, was delighted at the prospect. I couldn't say, obviously. However, the drek one is likely to see will probably not materially differ.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 09:01 pm
Setanta wrote:
Lash made a comment suggesting that Chiczaira is Italgato in a different garb. She, of course, was delighted at the prospect. I couldn't say, obviously. However, the drek one is likely to see will probably not materially differ.


Lash made that comment on another thread ...... just in case anyone's confused.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 01:41 pm
just checking in to see how you're all getting along without me...

"You're a Drink-soaked Former Trotskyist Popinjay*!"
Thusly, I Humiliated Norm Coleman (and Christopher Hitchens)

By GEORGE GALLOWAY

article continues

(I do like a catchy title... *A vain, talkative person none on a2k)

from

http://www.counterpunch.com/galloway05182005.html
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 01:46 pm
Quote:
A breath of fresh air sweeps into Hell, but there's still no way out
Source
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 02:02 pm
John Chuckman wrote:
Americans are not people with long-term vision. "I want it all, and I want it now," would be the appropriate current national motto. This quality makes Americans among the least qualified people on earth to undertake some of the tasks their politicians set them. The patience of the Chinese or the stiff upper lip of the Brits is missing in people trained to get pissed-off about late pizzas. That's part of the reason for the brutal, senseless nature of the occupation, and that's why the Internet press is full of liberal and other anti-war demands that American troops leave Iraq. (emphasis added)


Unless the vituperative, bile-spewing Mr. Chuckman suggests that none of the liberal and other anti-war demands to which he alludes proceed from American sources (which would certainly mean that he has never visited this site), he has glaringly contradicted his own thesis. And, of course, this, from earlier in this diatribe . . .

Quote:
American liberals keep writing about their press's failure to do its job. Many of the people writing these things are children of the Woodward and Bernstein years under Nixon, a time when there was the brief illusion of an honest press, the tribune of the public, the fourth estate or unofficial branch of government, and other hero-comic phrases.


. . . glaringly contradicts the succeeding thesis, while demonstrating clearly at the beginning of the piece the depth of this author's ranting hatred, and perhaps, resentment.

For this . . .

Quote:
There can be no more acid comment on the American press's role in Bush's sleazy war than the mere observation of The New York Times' regular use of the out-of-date, sentimental term GI when referring to America's professional killers now occupying Iraq. (emphasis added)


. . . i am prepared never to forgive the author of this article, and am lead to charaterize him as among the lowest of the low among opportunistic, journalistic bottom-feeders.

I have rarely been so affronted in my life in seeing someone twist the precepts in which i believe into such distilled, invidious slander.

I am frankly surprised to see my otherwise distinguished and respected colleague, Walter, post such an article. I am saddened as well. I will dellude myself into believing that he has done so only to provide an example of just how low a journalist can sink in the desire for his fifteen minutes of world-wide fame.

I'll be leaving this thread on a permanent basis.

EDIT: I am not simply surprised, i am stunned.
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HofT
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 02:14 pm
Himmel!

Non, non, Setanta, vouz ne quittez pas le thread!!

Walter meant no harm, he was just posting an article by way of background info - btw, did I mention I'm struggling to post from way, way, east of Europe, so apologize for episodic appearances, not to mention linguistic confusion.

See, see where this clown is wrong:
"The essence of hell is that there is no escape."
That's WRONG as per Newton's second law - it's only right if you believe in Sarte's "Huis clos" which nobody does.

To sum up: restez, Cher Monsieur Setanta - my good friend Steve will second the motion Smile
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HofT
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 02:15 pm
Sartre, sorry typo
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HofT
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 02:20 pm
Final - Setanta quote (latest):

"EDIT: I am not simply surprised, i am stunned. "

The (very) late Mr. Webster was once cavorting with a young housemaid in a pantry when Mrs. Webster walked in. The lady said "Mr. Webster, I'm surprised!" (in those days husbands and wives addressed each other in the plural) to which Webster replied: "No, Madam, you are amazed; it is I who is surprised."

Smile
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 02:33 pm
absolutement je second le emotion
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 02:46 pm
Well, actually I really like to post sometimes some different sources - you'll even find quotations from the Washington Times (two, during all the time I've been here, if I remember correctly) and the Telegraph.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 02:47 pm
Well, actually I really like to post sometimes some different sources - you'll even find quotations from the Washington Times (two, during all the time I've been here, if I remember correctly) and the Telegraph.
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 03:17 pm
Setanta wrote:

I was particularly struck by this passage:

John Brady Kiesling wrote:
... We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the world has ever known. Our current course will bring instability and danger, not security.


. . . i am lead to allude to a voice crying out in the wilderness . . .


Forgive me for being slightly behind on this thread, but Mr. Kiesling's thoughts on dismantling webs reminded me of another voice in the wilderness:

"Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?

It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it, for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But in my opinion it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.

Taking care always to keep ourselves by suitable establishments on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies."

Farewell Address - 1796
George Washington
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 03:40 pm
Again, forgive me for not digging through the volumes of bitchslappings that came before, but I was interested in a brief exchange (I don't remember the exact bitch or slapper) in which a Brit and a Yank disagreed here over whose country currently enjoyed the greatest degree of freedom of speech. There was a brief flexing of muscle by each and a couple of yo-mama's may have been traded, but the encounter did spark a question in my mind that some of you "over there" might care to answer.

In all the years of the IRA's terrorism against Britain, was there never a defensive reaction comparable to (or approaching) our Patriot Act? Were none of your liberties compromised in the interest of national security?

I'm sincerely curious about this.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 03:56 pm
WhoodaThunk wrote:
In all the years of the IRA's terrorism against Britain, was there never a defensive reaction comparable to (or approaching) our Patriot Act? Were none of your liberties compromised in the interest of national security?

I'm sincerely curious about this.


Well, at those days, when European terrorists like ETA and the Red Brigades were all helping out the IRA prominent, most Americans thought, "British oppression" and "occupation" were the root causes of the IRA's desire to plant bombs in pubs and at memorial day services.

The IRA is a bit 'calmer' now.

I think who live in the UK enjoy their liberty, now and in those days, despite the clouds of the IRA terrorism, now and 20 and more years back.
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sumac
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 08:06 pm
But that still begs Whooda's question, and I am not qualified to even suggest an opinion.

But I certainly third the motion of HofT that all parties here stay put.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 11:36 pm
WhoodaThunk wrote:
Again, forgive me for not digging through the volumes of bitchslappings that came before, but I was interested in a brief exchange (I don't remember the exact bitch or slapper) in which a Brit and a Yank disagreed here over whose country currently enjoyed the greatest degree of freedom of speech. There was a brief flexing of muscle by each and a couple of yo-mama's may have been traded, but the encounter did spark a question in my mind that some of you "over there" might care to answer.

In all the years of the IRA's terrorism against Britain, was there never a defensive reaction comparable to (or approaching) our Patriot Act? Were none of your liberties compromised in the interest of national security?

I'm sincerely curious about this.


For terrorist-related offences, internment without trial and trials without jury were adopted. These measures were found to be ineffective and indeed counter-productive, and were then abandoned.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 11:47 pm
WhoodaThunk wrote:
Setanta wrote:

I was particularly struck by this passage:

John Brady Kiesling wrote:
... We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the world has ever known. Our current course will bring instability and danger, not security.


. . . i am lead to allude to a voice crying out in the wilderness . . .


Forgive me for being slightly behind on this thread, but Mr. Kiesling's thoughts on dismantling webs reminded me of another voice in the wilderness:

"Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?

It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it, for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But in my opinion it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.

Taking care always to keep ourselves by suitable establishments on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies."

Farewell Address - 1796
George Washington


What an amazing connection to make. How do you think George Washington would have reacted to the prospect of his country embarking on an unprovoked murderous invasion such as this?
Was the spirit of Washington present at Abu Graib, or in the councils of war which decided to dupe the American people?
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 03:00 am
McTag wrote:
WhoodaThunk wrote:
Setanta wrote:

I was particularly struck by this passage:

John Brady Kiesling wrote:
... We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the world has ever known. Our current course will bring instability and danger, not security.


. . . i am lead to allude to a voice crying out in the wilderness . . .


Forgive me for being slightly behind on this thread, but Mr. Kiesling's thoughts on dismantling webs reminded me of another voice in the wilderness:

"Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?

It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it, for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But in my opinion it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.

Taking care always to keep ourselves by suitable establishments on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies."

Farewell Address - 1796
George Washington


What an amazing connection to make. How do you think George Washington would have reacted to the prospect of his country embarking on an unprovoked murderous invasion such as this?
Was the spirit of Washington present at Abu Graib, or in the councils of war which decided to dupe the American people?


GW probably had some strong opinions about unsavory types on or near "the shores of Tripoli" and I'm sure he would have been absolutely horrified by the prospects of this country allowing others to view a murderous despot in his underwear. We'll never know. But I think his words are dead-on, then and now, when it comes to "European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice."

Some pretty heady words considering the "debt" owed to France at the time, but I'm sure George realized that country's true motivation in regards to Britain.

Shall we contact James Monroe for a second opinion?
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