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George Galloway blasts the Senate

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:04 pm
JustWonders wrote:
McTag - so you agree with Galloway in his calling for Arabs to fight your countrymen who are serving in uniform? Is this the overall sentiment in Great Britain as well?

It's uncertain he was doing this JW. He may have been calling on Arabs to fight Brit and Americans NOT in uniform. They are paid far better, have the advantages of adequate funding and thus don't have to find old pots and pans to weld on their vehicles (thus more challenging than the sitting duck soldiers).
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:09 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
You were the one who initially kept referring to the Daily Telegraph lawsuit, as if that was supposed to decide the issue. You posted several times about that case, and even posted your Wikipedia article for my "edification." You pointed out several times that the case hasn't been made against Galloway, and I pointed out that the case hasn't been tried. It's obvious that you have not concerned yourself with what may come to light, yet you think the fact that a lawsuit in England was won on stipulated facts decides the issue here. The level of your desparation is evident in your inability to admit the simple and very basic point I was making.


No, i referred to the DT lawsuit and its outcome in pointed reference to a remark made by georgeob1 in speculation about Galloway's involvement in the Oil for Food program. The point in referring to it was that accusations had been made against Mr. Galloway on that topic, which georgeob1 apparently considered sufficient to assume that the accusations were true. So i pointed out that the accusations which were made were found to be false in a court of law. There is no desparation on my part in pointing out that georgeob1 was attempting to convict Mr. Galloway in the court of public opinion based on reference to accusations stipulated as false by the DT's legal counsel in the course of that trial. I have not concerned myself with any evidence which may come to light, because that was not the burden of georgeob1's contention. I am indifferent to the point you were attempting to shove down my throat, because it is not relevant to my citation of the lawsuit. I understand that you want to make an issue of it, but am uninterested in your point--i've only ever been concerned with georgeob1's attempt to smear someone by innuendo, and in an example in which he demonstrated a woeful ignorance.

If you despise Mr. Galloway, fine; if you think that he may at some date be proven guilty of the charges based upon heretofore unrevealed evidence, fine--none of that has any bearing on my response to georgeob1 regarding his unsupported and unsupporable contention in regard to Mr. Galloway.

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Twofold: (1) see the first post of this thread, and (2) there may be other classified evidence that hasn't come to light, which you don't know about, and my "rhetorical trick" should have highlighted that for you, had you been susceptible to its nuance.


Nice little sneer there about "nuance," Tico, but your dog won't hunt. Allow me to repeat what i have said far too many times, because you want to sidestep the issue. I responded to a comment of georgeob1, without reference to whether or not Mr. Galloway is in fact guilty of grafting in the Oil for Food program, but simply to point out that his contention in the matter was based on information which was found to be false in a duly constituted legal tribunal. Although you may contend, without justification, that i am not susceptible to nuance, it certainly appears that you can be hit over the head with the obvious, repeatedly, and remain unaware of it.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:27 pm
Yes, to repeat what I and others said before, not many folk over here have much time for Gorgeous George, or would trust him as far as they could throw him. This, at least he has in common with most of Mr Bush's coterie.
The issue is not in the person and character and record of Mr Galloway.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:28 pm
Setanta wrote:
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I am indifferent to the point you were attempting to shove down my throat, because it is not relevant to my citation of the lawsuit. I understand that you want to make an issue of it, but am uninterested in your point--i've only ever been concerned with georgeob1's attempt to smear someone by innuendo, and in an example in which he demonstrated a woeful ignorance.


If that's the case, then I see no reason why you continually responded to my posts with your references to the DT lawsuit. It had no bearing, as you acknowledge above. If you really were interested in ignoring my point, one would think you would simply do so.

Set wrote:
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Although you may contend, without justification, that i am not susceptible to nuance, it certainly appears that you can be hit over the head with the obvious, repeatedly, and remain unaware of it.


Well, to be fair, it's not that I think you are not susceptible to nuance, it's just that as of yet I've seen no evidence to support such a conclusion.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:28 pm
Someone (a trade union official, actually) once said to me- "Never trust a socialist in a mohair suit."
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:28 pm
Tico said (tongue in cheek I hope)

"But what say you about the classified evidence that hasn't come to light yet? "

to which I would say "nothing"
its classified
it hasnt come to light yet
when it does come to light
i will say something about it


on the other hand I might use my supertelekinesis powers of remote viewing and just read it anyway.


Smile And BOY is it interesting. But of course I am sworn to secrecy.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:30 pm
Well, Thou Ancient One, your thread certainly has legs, as the saying goes . . .

. . . and i know when i'm beaten . . . you win.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:33 pm
Setanta wrote:
Well, Thou Ancient One, your thread certainly has legs, as the saying goes . . .

. . . and i know when i'm beaten . . . you win.


I think, if YOU would start engaging an advertising agency, spend give-aways and free dinners ... might be ...
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:34 pm
McTag wrote:
JustWonders wrote:
McTag - so you agree with Galloway in his calling for Arabs to fight your countrymen who are serving in uniform? Is this the overall sentiment in Great Britain as well?


I'm not sure he did that but...I side with him in calling this action illegal and deeply immoral, and based on a pile of lies.
I would be disappointed in anyone thus affected, not to want to fight against it.
Galloway has friends in Iraq, and also an Iraqi wife I believe. Why would he not want these people to defend themselves, when all his efforts to dissuade his government had failed? You will allow a measure of frustration and indeed anguish in a situation like that.
I personally, thank you for the kind enquiry, would stop short of encouraging anyone to take up arms against our troops, of course. Or anyone to take up arms at all.

But- answer the question, please.


Thanks for the reply, McTag. I kinda felt you'd stop short and I'm pretty sure the majority of your countrymen have similar feelings Smile

As for your other question, I'll be happy to engage in a discussion if you want to start a new thread that will do it justice. We should probably confine our remarks in this thread to our fascination with Galloway and his 15 minutes of fame Smile

I read somewhere that his 'Iraqi' wife is divorcing him. Don't know if that's true or not and don't remember where I read it. I'm quite confident you're correct, though, in saying he has plenty of friends in Iraq (behind bars, most likely, where he probably also belongs).
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:40 pm
"Why is it okay for Americans to fight british troops, on their soil, to protect their independence, but not arabs on theirs?"

Wow McTag

I cant believe you asked that. Very brave Smile

Anyway it was Hessian mercenary troops that let us down. They were German you know.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:43 pm
And very well-heeled, as well--Washington and those ragged Continentals did quite well by themselves after they rounded up the Germans at Trenton. Sort of like Douglas Adams, only . . .


. . . So long, and thanks for all the sausage.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:53 pm
Set said to Tico

Do you have a good basis for a contention that such evidence exists, or are you merely resorting to another pathetic rhetorical trick?

tico replied
Twofold: (1) see the first post of this thread....


You are quite correct tico that I alluded to classified information that might exist about which we know nothing...but just because I said it, it does not necessarily follow that it does indeed exist. I know you will all be devastated by this confession of my mere human powers.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:57 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:


Anyway it was Hessian mercenary troops that let us down. They were German you know.


Like the Battenbergs, ehem, Mountbattens, I mean.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 01:00 pm
heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee . . .


Not to mention the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's . . . but i've promised not to mention them . . .
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 01:02 pm
It always comes back to the evil germans. Or if it doesn't, it should.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 01:03 pm
no you better not Setanta

not with a mouthful of Battenburg cake
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 01:04 pm
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 01:07 pm
Smile

ducks crumbs
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 01:13 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Set said to Tico

Do you have a good basis for a contention that such evidence exists, or are you merely resorting to another pathetic rhetorical trick?

tico replied
Twofold: (1) see the first post of this thread....


You are quite correct tico that I alluded to classified information that might exist about which we know nothing...but just because I said it, it does not necessarily follow that it does indeed exist. I know you will all be devastated by this confession of my mere human powers.


See #2.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 01:20 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
.... and still the world thinks "George Galloway blasted the Senate"


Not just the world but a majority of Americans seem to think so too. (In spite of the loud cries of protest from some.)
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