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George Galloway blasts the Senate

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 09:25 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
I did enjoy the Christopher Hitchens piece on Galloway. Setanta portrays him as the innocent child in Andersen's fable. pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. Some innocent child! Setanta has once again suspended use of his critical faculties in reaching this particular judgement.

The fact is that Galloway's impact on both the media and the public attention here was transitory and momentary at best. Perhaps some will rejoice in one of their boys giving it to a supposed powerful forum, but the reality was much less than that. The Senators were foolish to give him an appearance at all, but wise to limit their responses to his theatrics.


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Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 11:21 am Post: 1322974 -

georgeob1
I'll confess to the already evident instinct to defend and even justify the actions of my government. Perhaps it is no more than the result of a long habit, but actually I think it is more substantial than that.

I guess everyone claims his tribe's version of loyalty & patriotism is more authentic and essential than that of any other. Perhaps that is a bad thing, but I doubt it.

I am, as you know, particularly sensitive to those who appear to me to be zealots of a certain kind of contemporary thought, while condemning all who disagree as zealots of now superceded cuoltural norms. I don't like zealots or "true believers" of any stripe - by that I mean those who believe they alone know what is good for others, and are ultimately willing to force it on them.

No doubt there are elements of hypocricy in all this, but - what the hell - I'm all I've got.


"elements of hypocricy[sic]", George, that's quite the understatement! The homie comes through so clearly in your assessment of what Galloway did or didn't accomplish.

How could the senators have been foolish? Aren't these commissions set up to seek the truth?

And yet you posture, "I don't like zealots or "true believers" of any stripe". Rolling Eyes
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 09:30 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
No need - it's all over. My annoyance has passed, but I fear poor Setanta 's condition is incurable.



You so silly . . .
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 12:32 am
goodfielder wrote:
"hotdogs! soda! polaroid cameras! Closeout sale!"


Now THAT'S funny..........typical Oz humour......I have just woken up, and am trying to focus on the screen in an effort to find out what has been going on. You just made me snort my coffee out through my nose.

NB....Read the previous two postings to this quoted comment, to fully appreciate the joke.

Thanks very much!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 02:23 am
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Galloway to cash in on his tongue-lashing of US senators

PETER DOYLE

MAVERICK MP "Gorgeous" George Galloway is set for a money-spinning speaking tour of America's Ivy League colleges following his barnstorming performance at the United States senate.

Washington was buzzing after the former boxer traded verbal blows with senators who had accused him of making blood money from Iraq's Oil-for-Food programme.

Mr Galloway, who could charge £5,000 per speech, would earn as much as he was accused of making in dodgy oil deals after just 30 appearances on the lucrative college lecture circuit.

During last Thursday's hearing the Respect Party MP savaged the US government for starting a war in Iraq that, he said, has claimed 100,000 lives.

American lecture tour promoters believe Mr Galloway's emphatic style could electrify campuses across the country.

Yesterday a spokesman for Mr Galloway confirmed the money-for-lecture offer will see the Dundee-born politician speaking to packed audiences at America's elite universities including Harvard, Princeton and Yale.

"If it happens, he will do a series of paid-for lectures, but he also will do free ones."

Mr Galloway, 51, added: "I have been asked to go on a highly lucrative lecture tour, with the promise of very large audiences."

His worldwide profile has soared since his senate showing where he emphatically denied owning a company which had made huge profits from Iraqi oil deals.

Mr Galloway also furiously refuted allegations that he had used his cancer charity, the Mariam Appeal, to conceal oil-gifts from the deposed dictator, Saddam Hussein.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 02:27 am
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Adored, praised … and feared. George Galloway's gone global

LOUISE HANCOCK and CATHERINE MacLEOD

May 23 2005

HE came, he saw, and - after a fashion - George Galloway conquered the United States. As the MP flew home from Washington this week, he couldn't be blamed for sitting back in his economy-class seat, putting his feet up and savouring the moment. Without a doubt, his flying visit to confront his American accusers was a triumph of political theatre.
He did not change their minds. He did not even get an apology. But his 24-hour visit to the US capital has turned him into an international media sensation. As his testimony was beamed live around the world through CNN, news shows featured him prominently and newspapers as far apart as the Minneapolis Star Tribune to Pravda in Russia and the Times of India ran reports the following day.
Jack Straw, the foreign secretary, who was also in town, must have been green with envy. In contrast, his own joint news conference with Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state - on North Korea - held the same day was practically ignored by the media.
There is no doubt that, as the dust settled yesterday, Galloway was still genuinely incandescent with anger at being accused and found guilty in front of the entire world. However, equally, there was no doubt that he also saw this as the greatest opportunity of his life - an international platform for his anti-war, anti-American, anti-Israeli views.
"I think it was a huge event, and I am used to big events," he said yesterday. "It is the biggest and most important event of my life."
Seasoned observers of the Washington scene agree that, for a British politician, let alone an anti-war one, he has made a rare impact on US politics. Jamie Dettmer, the director of communications at the Cato Institute, a prominent conservative think tank, says Galloway caused a "wow" in the city. "He has made DC sit up and take notice. Most people saw him as this pugnacious Scotsman taking on the Senate and applauded him for it."
Erik Leaver, of the Institute for Policy Studies, a left-leaning think tank, agrees. "He speaks honestly and from the heart, which is so unlike anything that we normally see in the US."
Yesterday, Galloway was still revelling in what he saw as an overwhelming victory over American arrogance. "I think it was a triumph. When I read the coverage here and in the States and glanced at the 5000 e-mails I've received - mainly from the United States - it is clear that others see it that way too. They were pleased to see someone go into the heart of American power and tell them the truth.
"They are not used to it and they don't like it. They are certainly not used to it from British politicians recently. It was important and gave a great deal of heart to people who think like me all over the world."
For Leaver, Galloway's visit has been especially important in giving a voice to a large section of the American public who have opposed the war but felt under-represented in both the media and in politics.
"It's not that there aren't vast numbers of people who didn't agree with going to war and questioned the administration's motives," he says. "It's that the politicians, perhaps because of sensitivity to the situation after 9/11, didn't seem to listen.
"Here we suddenly have a man who not only refuses to go along with the witch-hunt against the UN which is being conducted by most of our politicians, but who actually stands up and talks about aspects of US policy which we rarely hear about - like the terrible effects of sanctions on the Iraqi people. I sat there and cheered."
Dettmer, who has known Galloway for 25 years, agrees he has brought the issue of the Iraq war to the forefront in a way that has been lacking recently in American media. "He has certainly generated a huge amount of renewed interest in the anti-war movement. You have to put his appearance into context of the situation in this country. Post 9/11, there was very little questioning by the US media of the reasons for the war.
"The media were nervous about offending patriotic feelings generated by 9/11. As a result, there was very little dissent in the run-up to the Iraq war.
"This was a rare opportunity for Americans to hear a very aggressive, anti-war view put very succintly."
Bill Dobbs from United for Peace and Justice, the largest coalition of anti-war groups in the US, said: "The anti-war movement is both larger and more solid than it was three years ago. We now have a thousand member groups from across the US, both large and small. But we welcomed Mr Galloway's visit this week. Whatever issues were left unresolved as to his personal situation in his appearance at the Senate, he did bring much-needed attention to Bush's foreign policy with respect to Iraq."
Certainly Norm Coleman, the urbane Republican senator who chairs the committee, did not know what had hit him. Neither did the US press.
Unlike those in the House of Commons or Holyrood, Senate proceedings are formal, unhurried and dignified. "In boxing parlance, it was a bit of walkover," says Galloway.
US papers had never seen anything like it. They universally agreed Galloway had out-manoeuvred the senators and praised his eloquence. (At one point, fascinated journalists, desperate not to miss anything he might do, followed him out of the committee room - only to find that he was just popping into a nearby lavatory).
The New York Times, the grand old lady of the American press, said he had "seemed to catch a Senate committee off guard" and "his aggressive posture and tone seemed to flummox Norm". The report added that he had "more than held his own in front of the committee" and admiringly called him "a flamboyant orator and skilled debater".
CNN even referred to him as "the man of the hour" - although they also referred to him as "minister for parliament", a promotion even Galloway looked a little embarrassed about. The Washington Post called him a formidable debater who launched a "fiery attack on three decades of US policy toward Iraq".
The New York Post lambasted the "weak" Senate committee. In a report headlined "Brit fries senators in oil", the paper said Galloway "went eyeball to eyeball" in an appearance that was "stunning in its audacity", as he "launched a furious counter-assault on President Bush and Republican probers". It also concluded senators had been "caught flat-footed" by the fiery politician.
But even while the media were praising his skills as an orator, they pointed out that he had evaded certain questions and ran extensive comments from Coleman in which he insisted Galloway was "not credible".
The right wing papers and outlets found his anti-American, anti-Israel, pro-Palestine views unforgivable.
The New York Post columnist Andrea Peyser was one of those who has been extremely critical. Peyser, a notorious conservative, labels him an "arrogant, Saddam-loving bully.
"Speaking with an accent that was equal parts Mike Myers and Baghdad Bob, he administered a sound public thrashing of all things American.
"He insulted our administration. He decried the war against terror…as he hijacked Congress to unleash his outrageous, insulting tirade, our senators did not pipe up.
"Rather, they assumed the look of frightened little boys caught with pants around their ankles, nervously awaiting punishment."
However, the real question is not that Galloway has succeeded in stirring up the US media - he has certainly done that - but whether the effect of his visit will last. Will the anti-war lobby in America find its voice, or at least learn to speak louder?
He is in no doubt. "Yes, it is the biggest thing I have ever done, and the most important. If I were to drop dead now - God forbid - it would be for what I would be most remembered."
Certainly, it has raised his profile immeasurably. He is now being wooed for a speaking tour of the States - an offer which would have been unthinkable a week ago.
Dettmer, however, regards him as a one-day wonder. "The American media has a very short- term memory. This is a big country and stories come and go quickly.
"His testimony and performance will still be referred to for some time by anti-war groups. But there's little prospect of his profile remaining high in the long term.
"To be honest, he is still talking about the leadership being wrong to go to war. The situation has moved on. There is the real chance of democracy in Iraq having a long-term impact in the Middle East. But George wasn't dealing with that reality."
Leaver also thinks Galloway has had his day in the limelight. "In terms of the mainstream press, his day is over. Although papers like the New York Times ran stories on him this week, he wasn't front page news. It would take something extraordinary to put him back in the US media."
But Galloway probably will not care. He made his point and for a short time he had the ear of the world. For now, he has to be content with that.
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 02:46 am
The Slickster got rich peddling his tome of blowjobs and Cuban cigars, why shouldn't Benny Hill-lite cash in, too? Liberal dollars spend just like real ones, ya know.
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 02:57 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
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Adored, praised … and feared. George Galloway's gone global

... But Galloway probably will not care. He made his point and for a short time he had the ear of the world. For now, he has to be content with that.
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"In the future everyone will be world-famous for 15 minutes."

Andy Warhol (1928 -1987)
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 04:06 am
WhoodaThunk wrote:
The Slickster got rich peddling his tome of blowjobs and Cuban cigars, why shouldn't Benny Hill-lite cash in, too? Liberal dollars spend just like real ones, ya know.


And just how did Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney et al make their fortunes?
(and are still making more millions of Dollars as we discuss this matter)

Face it Whooda, Galloway punched Coleman's lights out, and hopefully, will encourage more open and probing discussion/investigation on the subject of Iraq, and just who were the main bad guys in all of this oil for food fiasco.

Is it this that you seem to be afraid of?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 04:10 am
Whooda

I knew Benny Hill. Benny Hill was a friend of mine. Whooda, George Galloway is no Benny Hill.

This is partly why I asked if you had actually seen the broadcast or were basing your opinions on what you had read of it, or perhaps glimpsed on tv news.

I'm not going to say you can't comment if you didn't watch it all.

I just want to understand how anyone who did see Galloway could possibly compare him to Benny Hill (lite)?
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 04:17 am
Galloway? He's nothing new.

I just hope he doesn't go the way of Simon Cowell i.e. gets his own TV show. *shudders*
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 04:18 am
ps I think its safe for us over here Lord Ellpus. The ballistic missile exchanges appear to be confined to N America, and have subsided for the moment.

Any road up, have take off my tin hat, crawled out of the Anderson shelter and...and its time for a cuppa.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 04:23 am
Steve, I think Whooda, inadvertantly paid a compliment to Galloway, by comparing him with Benny Hill.
Benny Hill was a highly intelligent man, a great professional in his working life, and a highly regarded, caring guy to those who knew him in private, by all accounts.
But how someone can make a comparison between them baffles me....
...it shows a total lack of knowledge of the British way of life, as I see it.


I'm still impressed with the fact that he was one of your friends though....
....I often played football with Billy Idol, does that count?

Oh, and my mother in Law taught Boy George, and my wife taught Jamie Oliver (at school, I mean, before any wisecracks).

Now, where were we........
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 04:35 am
steve

As I mentioned earlier, I saw only the segment carried on the Newshour, but that seemed a more substantial coverage than the other networks I checked.

A lot of the Americans here on a2k don't watch or read much (or any) news from foreign sources, even Britain or Canada. Many do not understand how unique the US media has become in terms of its obsequiousness to power. Ironically, while Brit media tear into their elected citizens (as in one instance I saw recently with Blair and his interviewer sitting on a couple of stools and the interviewer beginning with "Well ok Tony, I have you now, sitting right here with your fake tan." ) the US media treat elected officials, particularly the president and his staff, as if they were...well, like...royalty.

Bravo to Galloway. Bravo to the free-enterpriser who is setting him on a lecture tour of American campuses. Bravo to the kids who will attend and learn rather better what free speech and democracy can look like. Bravo to free speech and to the fullsome resistance against media intimidation.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 05:23 am
Shame that Walter had to go to the Scottish papers (Herald- Glasgow. Scotsman- Edinburgh) to air this story and get these quotes.

My feeling is, Galloway will not be allowed into the US to give any lectures, in case his brand of candour and plain speech might be contagious.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 05:32 am
Lord Ellpus

Sorry if I mislead you...

better explain

I only knew Benny Hill on tv like you!

I was trying to allude to the famous tv interview with (I think Dan Quayle) where he ascribed some of his own qualities to that of Jack Kennedy, and his opponent said he knew JFK personally and he said "senator, you're no Jack Kennedy". Or something like that. No doubt someone from across the pond will give chapter and verse when they've had their coffee.

Smile

Jamie Oliver...the family had a pub in Rickling Green if I remember correctly which is not that far from here. He's sticking two sausages up to plans to expand Stansted airport...

Billy Idol...wow now that's fame, I think. Who is he exactly?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 05:53 am
I think what America has found so shocking about Galloway is that he made front page news courtesy of the big media corporations, who probably never dreamed he was going to deliver the broadside that he did.

They wont make that mistake again, expect any future speaking engagements to get minimal main-stream coverage. He'll be safely ring fenced and confined to fringe events, which by definition are not important because the big meejah dont go there.
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 05:54 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
I was trying to allude to the famous tv interview with (I think Dan Quayle) where he ascribed some of his own qualities to that of Jack Kennedy, and his opponent said he knew JFK personally and he said "senator, you're no Jack Kennedy". Or something like that. No doubt someone from across the pond will give chapter and verse when they've had their coffee.


For what it matters, Lloyd Bentsen delivered those words.

Benny Hill's TV persona = buffoon.

That's all I meant. I'm sure he was a rocket scientist in real life.
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 06:00 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
I think what America has found so shocking about Galloway is that he made front page news courtesy of the big media corporations, who probably never dreamed he was going to deliver the broadside that he did.

They wont make that mistake again, expect any future speaking engagements to get minimal main-stream coverage. He'll be safely ring fenced and confined to fringe events, which by definition are not important because the big meejah dont go there.


Just as I have a limited grasp on the personal life of Benny Hill, I think you have a limited grasp of many realities, political and economic, on this side of the pond.

I'll make fewer pronouncements regarding Benny Hill, if you make fewer regarding what will/will not "shock America."

Deal?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 06:02 am
This is what I dont understand. When Galloway said directly to Coleman (paraphrasing)

"you have sent to their deaths in Iraq thousands of people, over one thousand six hundred American soldiers, fifteen thousand maimed, many disabled for life, based on a pack of lies."

you equate that with Benny Hill buffoonery?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 06:04 am
Galloway's rhetorical proletarian appeal has a good deal in common with that of other temporarily successful practicioners of these verbal arts, including Lenin, Hitler, Mussolini, Joe McCarthy, George Wallace, and many others.

The Senate Committee was easy pickings for him. Their hearings are lazy rituals scripted by their staffs and generally devoid of either real debate or surprise. The normal routine is for the Senators do continue an ongoing ritualized debate with each other, using the witnesses as momentary foils for their leisurely arguments. Galloway didn't play that game. The Senators were fools for not anticipating this, but wise to let it pass once he appeared.

The reading public would be fools for believing him.

It may well be that Galloway will have a brief stint as the darling of the lecture circuit on several campuses. However I doubt seriously that his appeal will grow with added exposure - and scrutiny. He might be wiser to leave the stage while the applause lasts.
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