If Jesus is God, how is he called God's only begotten son?

@brandonsays,

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this just illustrates the fanatical selection of certain elements (but not all) your organization engages in

I've got an organisation?

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@neologist,

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You do realize, don't you that our Creator is not currently managing this world?

That explains a lot.

So when did He/She stop? Was it right after the Garden of Eden bit?

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@McTag,

Sorry, maybe I confused you with Neo? Similar belief without the organization, perhaps?

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@brandonsays,

brandonsays@McTag wrote:

Sorry, maybe I confused you with Neo? Similar belief without the organization, perhaps?

brandonsays wrote:

The lapse in logic is astounding.

Quite right

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@McTag,

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You do realize, don't you that our Creator is not currently managing this world?

McTag wrote:

That explains a lot.

So when did He/She stop? Was it right after the Garden of Eden bit?

Since Genesis chapter 3.

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@brandonsays,

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Neo, you should really ask, "to whom did God say 'let us make man in our image'" in Genesis, and also, "now the man has become like one of us." Who is he talking to?

Why, the intelligent creatures who witnessed the creation:

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Where were you when I founded the earth?
Tell me, if you think you understand.
5 Who set its measurements, in case you know,
Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 Into what were its pedestals sunk,
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,
And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? (Job 38 4-7)

Do you need more scriptural references to the existence of an army of heavenly creatures in existence at the time of earth's creation?

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@brandonsays,

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Jesus, as God, resurrected himself, because death could not hold him.

Then, he did not die in the sense of Adam and could not stand as a substitute for Adam.

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@neologist,

Now, if only there were a real Jesus, you might be getting somewhere.

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Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;

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im·age
ˈimij/
noun
1.
a representation of the external form of a person or thing in art.
synonyms: likeness, resemblance;

Christians now want to redefine the definition of 'image.' How many more irrational interpretations are they going to create to defend the bibles errors, omissions and contradictions?

If god created man in his image - meaning their ethics and sinless life, there wouldn't be any need for a 'savior.'

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@brandonsays,

Pagan Elements of Modern Easter Celebrations:

As you might be able to tell, the name “Easter” was likely derived from Eostre, the name of the Anglo-Saxon lunar goddess, as was as the name for the female hormone estrogen. Eostre’s feast day was held on the first full moon following the vernal equinox — a similar calculation as is used for Easter among Western Christians. On this date the goddess Eostre is believed by her followers to mate with the solar god, conceiving a child who would be born 9 months later on Yule, the winter solstice which falls on December 21st.

Two of Eostre’s most important symbols were the hare (both because of its fertility and because ancient people saw a hare in the full moon) and the egg, which symbolized the growing possibility of new life. Each of these symbols continues to play an important role in modern celebrations of Easter. Curiously, they are also symbols which Christianity has not fully incorporated into its own mythology. Other symbols from other holidays have been given new Christian meanings, but attempts to do the same here have failed.

American Christians continue to generally celebrate Easter as a religious holiday, but public references to Easter almost never include any religious elements. Christians and non-Christians alike celebrate Easter in decidedly non-Christian ways: with chocolate and other forms of Easter candy, Easter eggs, Easter egg hunts, the Easter bunny, and so forth. Most cultural references to Easter include these elements, most of which are pagan in origin and all of which have become commercialized.

Because these aspects of Easter are shared by both Christians and non-Christians, they constitute the common cultural recognition of Easter — the specifically religious celebrations of Christians belong to them alone and are not part of the wider culture. The shift of religious elements away from the general culture and into Christians churches has been occurring over many decades and isn’t quite complete.

http://atheism.about.com/od/easterholidayseason/p/PaganChristian.htm

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@brandonsays,

Prayer is communication, but not all communication is prayer. We here are not praying because we are talking to you. The Father does not pray to anyone, he speaks to Jesus and has to others in the past...that is not praying to them.

Also, it was God that raised Jesus.

Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, …

Acts 2:24
But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.

Ephesians 2:6
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Acts 2:32
God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it.

http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/God-Raising-Christ

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Setting aside the validity of jesus' miracles where he cured the sick, if jesus was god why did he think that evil spirits were the cause of peoples affictions? Shouldn't an omniscient god know that being sick is the result of pathogens, viruses, bacteria,etc. ?
And dont give me the dodge that his followers werent smart enough to understand if he said it was a virus either. If he was god he could have made them to understand or not have mentioned that the cause was "demons"; he could have just cured them.

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@giujohn,

Well, maybe, satan, the evil one, created those viruses.
It's the battle of the good guy and the bad guy.
The bad guy continues to provide more viruses, and the good guy is there to help the individual who prays to him for help. Since god can't be everywhere at once, some of the good guys die from those viruses - no matter how hard they pray.

Stay tuned....

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@cicerone imposter,

Well I dont think so...he was "casting out demons" as in the person was possesed and therefore the cuase of the affiction. For instance leprosy or Hansen's disease (HD), a chronic infection caused by the bacteria Mycobacterium leprae. No one now a days believes that people with HD are possesed because we know what causes it. But jesus would not know that being merely a man 2000 years ago. A god SHOULD know what causes HD
Also is it your contention that god cant be everywhere at once? If god is not omnipotent, why even consider this entity at all?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

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Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;

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im·age
ˈimij/
noun
1.
a representation of the external form of a person or thing in art.
synonyms: likeness, resemblance;

Christians now want to redefine the definition of 'image.' How many more irrational interpretations are they going to create to defend the bibles errors, omissions and contradictions?

If god created man in his image - meaning their ethics and sinless life, there wouldn't be any need for a 'savior.'

Since the entities, in whose image we were created, have had the habit of floating around the universe, what sort of image should we have, based on your exegesis? Perhaps you do not wish to understand where your attributes of love, fairness, and free will came from. I thought such enlightening. Especially since free will permits one to sin. That happened, you know, in Genesis chapter 3, necessitating the appearance of a savior.

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I don't think there's much in this religion malarkey.

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@neologist,

Humans have all manners of characteristics both good and bad. They are all human descriptions and values, but they are not based on any one book or the bible. It is nature that results in negative and positive values based upon human perceptions. Animals kill their own species and other animals as does humans. That's because it's in the nature of humans and animals to do so.

Nothing really strange about that, because nobody can control nature.

Not that long ago, humans practiced cannibalism. It is society and culture who determined that cannibalism was wrong. But we all know about the Donner Party who ate human flesh to survive. Who's to say they were wrong?

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@giujohn,

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Setting aside the validity of jesus' miracles where he cured the sick, if jesus was god why did he think that evil spirits were the cause of peoples affictions? Shouldn't an omniscient god know that being sick is the result of pathogens, viruses, bacteria,etc. ?
And dont give me the dodge that his followers werent smart enough to understand if he said it was a virus either. If he was god he could have made them to understand or not have mentioned that the cause was "demons"; he could have just cured them.

Jesus wasn't God and didn't know all things. I would say that if he was God, than yes, he would have know this, but he wasn't and isn't.

God Yahweh would know this. But Jesus' mission was to bring us the Gospel and Salvation, not how to explain every little thing that man may not understand at that time such as germs etc.

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@giujohn,

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Re: cicerone imposter (Post 5675724)
Well I dont think so...he was "casting out demons" as in the person was possesed and therefore the cuase of the affiction. For instance leprosy or Hansen's disease (HD), a chronic infection caused by the bacteria Mycobacterium leprae. No one now a days believes that people with HD are possesed because we know what causes it. But jesus would not know that being merely a man 2000 years ago. A god SHOULD know what causes HD
Also is it your contention that god cant be everywhere at once? If god is not omnipotent, why even consider this entity at all?

It seems that I didn't need to give an answer since you have answered it yourself.

I agree with you ....this once.

Enaj

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@cicerone imposter,

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Humans have all manners of characteristics both good and bad. They are all human descriptions and values, but they are not based on any one book or the bible. It is nature that results in negative and positive values based upon human perceptions. Animals kill their own species and other animals as does humans. That's because it's in the nature of humans and animals to do so.

Nothing really strange about that, because nobody can control nature.

Not that long ago, humans practiced cannibalism. It is society and culture who determined that cannibalism was wrong. But we all know about the Donner Party who ate human flesh to survive. Who's to say they were wrong?

Since it is society and culture that determines in your view what is wrong....where do you think our sense of right and wrong comes from? Wouldn't that be our conscience? and where would you say that comes from?

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