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Are you happy to know you will die?

 
 
auroreII
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2019 05:15 am
Are you happy to know you will die?

I doubt christians are "happy" to know they will die. They are happy because they know they will go to heaven. Death is not an end. Happy Easter.
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2019 05:16 pm
@auroreII,
auroreII wrote:

Are you happy to know you will die?

I doubt christians are "happy" to know they will die. They are happy because they know they will go to heaven. Death is not an end. Happy Easter.


You believe a lie, and few Christians are telling me they look forward to a boring as heel, heaven, singing to a genocidal son murdering piece of garbage god.

Regards
DL
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2019 05:19 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Why would eternal life in Heaven be any different from eternal life in our present existence?

What if we found a way to modify ourselves in this present existence so that we no longer experienced boredom as a negative sensation?


We can likely do that with a frontal lobotomy but most do not want to go through life drooling and soiling themselves and not caring about much of anything including the stinc.

Regards
DL
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2019 05:22 pm
@auroreII,
auroreII wrote:


"What if we found a way to modify ourselves in this present existence so that we no longer experienced boredom as a negative sensation?"

Good luck with that. I suppose you could say that those heroine addicts who kill themselves by overdosing looking for that one great high are attempting to do that. I wouldn't recommend it. Perhaps we only find true happiness when we bend our will to God's will. Love, kindness, caring, forgiveness, altruism... A lot of people find happiness in following Christ.



Those characteristics for Jesus/Yahweh are belied by his genocidal and infanticidal character but hey, if you want to follow such a moral monster, have at it.

Regards
DL
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2019 05:30 pm
@Greatest I am,
Greatest I am wrote:

maxdancona wrote:

I am planning to never die.

So far, I have been meeting this goal.



What makes you think you would not be bored to death if you lived eternally?

Regards
DL


Living eternally (by its very definition) means I will never be bored to death.
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2019 05:37 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:

maxdancona wrote:

I am planning to never die.

So far, I have been meeting this goal.



What makes you think you would not be bored to death if you lived eternally?

Regards
DL


Living eternally (by its very definition) means I will never be bored to death.



Perhaps, but you will get tired of wishing for death.

I cannot think of a worse fate.

Regards
DL
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2019 05:39 pm
@Greatest I am,
Quote:
Perhaps, but you will get tired of wishing for death.

I cannot think of a worse fate.


I guess we differ on this.

I think actual death is a worse fate than wishing for death.
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2019 05:46 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Quote:
Perhaps, but you will get tired of wishing for death.

I cannot think of a worse fate.


I guess we differ on this.

I think actual death is a worse fate than wishing for death.



I find that counter intuitive.

If you are consciously wishing for death, you would likely be miserable.
If you are dead, and you allow that I liken it to sleep, then you would not be miserable.

You seem to be choosing misery over nothingness.

Regards
DL
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2019 06:29 pm
@Greatest I am,
I don't allow that you liken death to sleep.

After I sleep I get up in the morning. Death is rather permanent.

I would be fine with death if after 8 hours of death I could get up feeling refreshed and get on with my day,

oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2019 06:35 pm
@auroreII,
auroreII wrote:
Good luck with that. I suppose you could say that those heroine addicts who kill themselves by overdosing looking for that one great high are attempting to do that. I wouldn't recommend it. Perhaps we only find true happiness when we bend our will to God's will. Love, kindness, caring, forgiveness, altruism... A lot of people find happiness in following Christ.

Humanity will grow better at modifying ourselves in the future. We may even become more machine than flesh. Removing the ability to feel boredom may just involve altering a few lines of code.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2019 06:36 pm
@Greatest I am,
Greatest I am wrote:
You believe a lie, and few Christians are telling me they look forward to a boring as heel, heaven, singing to a genocidal son murdering piece of garbage god.

How do you know that it is a lie? How do you know that heaven would be boring? Why do you think that God has these characteristics?

You're making an awful lot of assumptions.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2019 06:37 pm
@Greatest I am,
Greatest I am wrote:
We can likely do that with a frontal lobotomy but most do not want to go through life drooling and soiling themselves and not caring about much of anything including the stinc.

True. People would want to do this with a more precise and effective technique.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2019 06:38 pm
@Greatest I am,
Greatest I am wrote:
Those characteristics for Jesus/Yahweh are belied by his genocidal and infanticidal character but hey, if you want to follow such a moral monster, have at it.

Who says he has that character?
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2019 09:58 pm
@oralloy,
the Bible
Sturgis
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2019 10:58 pm
@maxdancona,
Quote:
Death is rather permanent


We don't know this. It may seem to be so on an earthly plane, but is this the case on a vast unknown scale of the great beyond?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 05:20 am
@glitterbag,
The Bible says all sorts of contradictory things. Any intolerance in the Bible should be considered in the context of what was going on when that part of the Bible was written.

Hezekiah was trying to absorb a massive wave of refugees from the destroyed northern kingdom into his own kingdom and then unify them into a single nation when the doctrine of intolerance towards other deities was laid down.

Josiah was dreaming of driving out the foreigners that the Neo-Assyrians had settled in the destroyed northern kingdom when the Deuteronomistic History was written.
auroreII
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 06:31 pm
@Greatest I am,
So you say I believe a lie. Well I guess we disagree on that. I do believe that when we die those redeemed by Christ go to heaven (and it is nothing like you describe). You seem to be making assumptions not based on what is written in the bible. Here's some commentary from the internet:
"Think about the gospel fact that with all of Jesus’ suffering and death as Saviour of sinners, He willingly gave Himself! Five times in John 10:11-18 we are told about Jesus willingly giving Himself up for the salvation of sinners. In John 10:11 Jesus says: “I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.” Literally the word “gives” there could also be translated “lays down” and it is so translated, in fact, in vs. 15, 17, and twice in vs. 18. Jesus says in vs. 15: “I lay down my life for the sheep”; in vs. 17: “I lay down my life that I might take it again.” And in vs. 18 Jesus says: “No man taketh it from me [that is His life], but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.”
"A story is told of two brothers who once lived completely opposite lives. The older was a God-fearing man, good to everyone. The younger was rebellious, even violent. The older brother tried to influence him, [the younger] but in vain. One evening, while the older sat quietly in his home, the [younger] brother stormed in with blood on his clothes, shouting, ‘Save me if you can! I have killed a man and the police are after me!’ The older replied, “Quick! Let’s change clothes.” They did so. The murderer put on the white garment of his older brother, and the innocent brother put on the blood-stained garment of his younger brother.
Scarcely had they finished when the police arrived. Seeing the older brother in bloody clothes, they knew they had found their man and dragged him from his home. They had no doubt that he was the one they sought. Brought to court, the accused admitted his guilt. The judge bowed to what seemed clear evidence and sentenced him to death. He had one last wish: ‘At the moment of my execution, please give my brother this letter.’ His wish was granted. Later when the brother opened the letter, he read, “I died in your place, in your bloody garment, for your guilt. I was happy to make this sacrifice for you, and ask that now you also live a life of love and goodness in response.’ The innocent brother was dead, nothing now could change that fact. But as often as the former comrades asked the younger brother still living, to participate in an act of violence and evil, he would reply, ‘I cannot do it in the white garment I received from the brother who died for me.’”
"Now you notice, I hope, that this story does not in all ways parallel with the gospel message of Jesus Christ. Indeed, this story even falls far short of it for that older brother all of a sudden by way of surprise gave himself up for his brother. But Jesus, as we saw, so planned and so pursued and so, in fact, did willingly give Himself in every detail, from His incarnation to His last breath on the cross."
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 26 Apr, 2019 10:17 am
@auroreII,
Will I be able to have sex in heaven?

I like the idea that in heaven I can live forever, which is really my goal. Of course in Hell I can live forever too. The question is whether I would like heaven?

Most descriptions of heaven are like every day in church. The things that I most enjoy on Earth (from riding my bicycle, to drinking a good Scotch, to having sex with an attractive woman, to playing poker) aren't included in any description of heaven.

If the choice is between ceasing to exist or heaven, I suppose I would pick heaven.

To be honest, from what I have heard of heaven I think I would prefer to just stay here.
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Fri 26 Apr, 2019 12:35 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

I don't allow that you liken death to sleep.

After I sleep I get up in the morning. Death is rather permanent.

I would be fine with death if after 8 hours of death I could get up feeling refreshed and get on with my day,




I likened it to sleep to show that our consciousness has no awareness.

If you are an eternal being, waking up would have you looking for a new day with something new in it instead of the same old and same very old and done or thought 64757500000000000000000000000 times.

Borrrring.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Fri 26 Apr, 2019 12:37 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

auroreII wrote:
Good luck with that. I suppose you could say that those heroine addicts who kill themselves by overdosing looking for that one great high are attempting to do that. I wouldn't recommend it. Perhaps we only find true happiness when we bend our will to God's will. Love, kindness, caring, forgiveness, altruism... A lot of people find happiness in following Christ.

Humanity will grow better at modifying ourselves in the future. We may even become more machine than flesh. Removing the ability to feel boredom may just involve altering a few lines of code.


IOW, we need to stop being human to enjoy eternal life.

Life without meaningful though. Yuk.

Regards
DL
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