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Impeach Kennedy for Being Supremacist Judge?Or Just Kill Him

 
 
goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 07:52 am
yitwail wrote:
goodfielder wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
So,if a teenager commits a murder at 6:59:58,and they were born at 7:00:00,then since the murder was committed 2 seconds before their 18th birthday they avoid the death penalty?

I know that sounds ridiculous,but anyone wanna bet that some lawyer somewhere will parse it like that,before to long.


Sounds a fair summary of the law to me.


i would call it "erring on the side of life"


I still call it a fair summary of the law. The United States, courtesy of the Supreme Court, is now one of those nations that don't put juveniles to death. Welcome.
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yitwail
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 08:06 am
chiczaira wrote:
I do indeed agree that Children and adults are not similarly situated in society. I would never hold any other position. I am, however, having difficulty understanding why a 17 and a half year old murderer is to be exempt from the gas chamber( for the record, I am against the death penalty for all) because his moral sense is not yet formed, while a fourteen year old girl has enough moral sense to choose an abortion without any kind of counseling.


for one thing, you're assuming that children develop emotionally & intellectually at the same rate. anecdotal evidence claims the exact opposite. also, girls are generally regarded as maturing faster than boys, although probably not by 3 1/2 years. but more important, you're comparing apples & oranges; 14 year old girls are generally not mature enough for parenthood, or to make decisions about pregnancy. there may be exceptions, but generally it won't do either the girl, her family, or society any good to have a baby when she hasn't even started highschool, so an abortion is in everybody's best interest. granted, it's not in the best interest of the unborn child, but if that's the real issue, just pass a constitutional amendment prohibiting abortion. if anything, abortions are more justified for 14 year old girls than for mature women.
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yitwail
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 08:12 am
goodfielder wrote:
I still call it a fair summary of the law. The United States, courtesy of the Supreme Court, is now one of those nations that don't put juveniles to death. Welcome.

and i agree with that. i was just trying to hoist some conservatives with their own petard; why intervene *on the side of life* when it's a woman who's possibly not in a persistent vegetative state, but on the side of execution for a juvenile who's possibly mature enough to make prudent decisions about committing capital crimes?
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 08:15 am
Yes I took your point. And on their petards they are being hoisted and I must say it really is sport (except they have very sour looks on their faces) but I suppose so would I if I were, metaphorically speaking, being blown up Very Happy
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 08:20 am
squinney wrote:
Yeah. You're "misunderestimating" the level of understanding of both myself and Blatham on this topic.

BTW, does it strike anyone as odd that persons calling themselves Christians are furious that the U.S. Supreme Court found executing juveniles unconstitutional?

Does anyone find even odder that such individuals describe themselves, straight-faced, as adherents of the "culture of life"?

Are you surprised to learn that people called conservatives would quote Joseph Stalin? Yes, that Joseph Stalin, the former Soviet dictator and mass murderer.

A wake-up call for the Sane Majority


Here's a little something that comes up when one googles Judeo-Christian Council on Constitutional Restoration:

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Open Letter to the Judeo-Christian Council for Constitutional Restoration
April 5, 2005

by James Atticus Bowden

Please make a plan for action and prayer without ceasing.

Christians and Jews have two American traditions for defeating tyranny. Armed warfare against all odds and peaceful protest. Today, political action and civil disobedience moving The People is the greater means to resist.

Christians and Jews created the United States of America in a revolution against tyranny. Christian ministers lead their congregations to fight. Patriots proclaimed, "We have no king, but Jesus." The tiny Jewish congregations risked everything against the greatest military empire on earth. The fight was about who had the right to tax us. Yet, America became the place where it was safe to be a practicing Christian or Jew.

The foundation of the Nation, the Declaration of Independence, states the ?'self-evident' truth that the Judeo-Christian God created ?'inalienable rights'. The U.S. Constitution specified key rights - starting with the free exercise of religion, speech and disallowing the establishment of a sectarian Federal church. Some States had official churches until their legislatures abolished them. Every state cited a Supreme Power, God, in their constitution. The laws at every level of government were built on a historical foundation of ideas which included the Holy Bible, especially the Ten Commandments.

In the terrible conflict of the American Civil War Christians and Jews fought on both sides against tyranny. The North found secession un-Constitutional and slavery a tyranny worth ending immediately. The South found regional tyranny and invasion un-Constitutional and ending slavery the Constitutional right of state legislatures.

Christians and Jews worked together to fight the tyranny of worker abuse, child labor, public health threats and for women's suffrage. The Judeo-Christian membership of American labor unions focused struggles on rights.

Christians and Jews paid the blood tax fighting tyrannical Imperialism, Human Secularist Nazi Totalitarianism, and Human Secularist Communist Totalitarianism in World Wars I, II and III (the Cold War). Now, we are fighting Islamists, who hate Israel and America in almost equal measure, in a long, long World War IV against Islamist Totalitarianism.

Throughout these foreign wars, there was the challenge of domestic tyranny. The moral evil of racial segregation was defeated by peaceful non-violence. Yet, all Christians and Jews didn't see the tyranny the same. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. wrote, "I have watched white churchmen stand on the sideline and mouth pious irrelevancies and sanctimonious trivialities. I have heard ministers say, "These are social issues, with which the gospel has no real concern".

When five black-robed priest-kings, lawyers in costumes sitting on the high bench, legislated from their courtroom the Constitutional right to kill unborn babies, the Roman Catholics were almost alone in protesting for the right to life. At the same in Poland, Roman Catholics bravely defied the Human Secularist Communists who removed Crosses from public buildings.

Today, America is engaged in another Civil War, a long Culture War, to determine the consensus culture, the world view, and purpose of our Nation. Judeo-Christian or Pagan Human Secularism. The issues; Ten Commandments, public prayer, partial birth abortion, homosexual marriage, euthanasia, etc., are stalking horses for the intolerance of Tolerance and Multi-Culturalism. These Liberal Puritans are culturally cleansing Judeo-Christian America. Their judges are today's tyrants. The Liberal Human Secularist Totalitarians are hand maidens of Islamist Totalitarians seeking to destroy Judeo-Christian America.

Urge action. If judges order the Ten Commandments removed, then let citizens peacefully post them every day in every public building in the nation on pieces of paper. If priest-kings say citizens can not pray in public, pray in public. If a judge orders a helpless invalid to die, impeach the judge. Demand elected executives send police to protect. Remove politicians who fear to use their Constitutional powers to limit jurisdiction, re-organize, impeach and de-fund tyranny.

Dr. King led America upwards in the way of Christians during Roman Emperor Diocletian's tyranny. The pagans ordered Christians to include state gods as ?'house' gods in every Roman home. Many Romans told their Christian neighbors, they didn't have to pray to the gods, no one would know, but having the idols was required to obey the law of the land and be a good citizen. When Christians refused the Roman eagle, they were declared ?'enemies of humankind' and killed horribly. Yet, eventually, anger turned to disgust and a change of mind when family after family died terrible deaths for gentle refusals. Judges under the American eagle, demand a greater dishonor of the Judeo-Christian God today.

Please point out the narrow, straight path forward.

James Atticus Bowden

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James Atticus Bowden has specialized in inter-disciplinary long range 'futures' studies for over a decade. He is employed by a Defense Department contractor. He is a retired United States Army Infantry Officer. He is a 1972 graduate of the United States Military Academy and earned graduate degrees from Harvard University and Columbia University. He holds two elected Republican Party offices in Virginia.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 08:24 am
That's fascinating. I feel as if I'm watching the longest socio-political train wreck in history and it's happening in slow motion.
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yitwail
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 08:39 am
goodfielder wrote:
Yes I took your point. And on their petards they are being hoisted and I must say it really is sport (except they have very sour looks on their faces) but I suppose so would I if I were, metaphorically speaking, being blown up Very Happy


that would be refreshing, but conservatives are a resilient bunch these days. they're like teflon timexes. [for young people reading this, timex watches once had a great slogan: it takes a licking and keeps on ticking] they have an upper hand on moderates because they don't let common sense get in the way of ideology.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 08:49 am
yitwail wrote:
goodfielder wrote:
Yes I took your point. And on their petards they are being hoisted and I must say it really is sport (except they have very sour looks on their faces) but I suppose so would I if I were, metaphorically speaking, being blown up Very Happy


that would be refreshing, but conservatives are a resilient bunch these days. they're like teflon timexes. [for young people reading this, timex watches once had a great slogan: it takes a licking and keeps on ticking] they have an upper hand on moderates because they don't let common sense get in the way of ideology.


But surely moderates - by definition- don't let ideology grip them? Adhering to certain universally accepted principles such as human rights, isn't a bad thing?

And conservatives - well they do have an ideology and they stick to it, it's when they lose touch with reality that they become reactionaries. It's almost a sort of voluntary metamorphosis - the grub becomes a moth at will.
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yitwail
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 09:04 am
goodfielder wrote:
But surely moderates - by definition- don't let ideology grip them? Adhering to certain universally accepted principles such as human rights, isn't a bad thing?


keep up that sort of thing, we'll be basing supreme court decisions on foreign opinions, there'll be a new world order, chinese troops will be invading texas, and everyone who owns a gun will be placed in concentration camps. [that's a tongue-in-cheek remark, folks.]
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 09:32 am
And here's the program for the conference entitled:

Confronting the Judicial War on Faith sponsored by the Judeo-Christian Council for Constitutional Restoration.

http://www.stopactivistjudges.org/schedule.asp
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 09:33 am
A train wreck, yes. An apt analogy
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 09:38 am
Rhetorical question: why the hell is everything these days couched in terms of "war"? See what Bush has started? The US is sliding into a martial state. Damn that angers me.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 10:38 am
goodfielder wrote:
Rhetorical question: why the hell is everything these days couched in terms of "war"? See what Bush has started? The US is sliding into a martial state. Damn that angers me.


me too. Up to now it's been all stealth attack on the part of the radical right. Finally some of it is coming out into the open.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 12:03 pm
Well, LBJ started it all with his ill-named and ineffective "war on poverty".

I agree it is, at best ,a hacnneyed usage.
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yitwail
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 12:14 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Well, LBJ started it all with his ill-named and ineffective "war on poverty".


true, but Nixon's war on cancer, Reagan's war on drugs, and Bush's war on terror haven't been unqualified successes.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 12:27 pm
goodfielder wrote:
Rhetorical question: why the hell is everything these days couched in terms of "war"? See what Bush has started? The US is sliding into a martial state. Damn that angers me.

I think it's Hollywood movies messing with public perception, this time to the advantage of conservatives. You see, when you work in the military, you quickly realize that for the most part it is just another self-referential, bureaucratic government agency. Insofar the "war on X" metaphor lacks content: you have things done by a self-referential bureaucracy in reality, as you do in the metaphor. But thanks to films like "Top gun" and "Rambo", the public image of war and the military is quite different. It's about a charismatic, possibly maverick hero who takes on the enemy head-on, and quickly defeats him. The End. Whether X be poverty, drugs, or terrorism, you never have to talk about the uncomfortable reality that X is here to stay, will never be conclusively defeated, and is subject to tradeoffs just like any other government policy. And as a fringe benefit, you get to label your opponents as unpatriotic, treasonous backstabbers.

If you were a politician, you would love war too, and especially the metaphors that come with it.
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 12:32 pm
There for a second you had me thinkin' I'd like to be a politician, thomas!

"You had me at "war."
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 12:35 pm
High Court Justices Seek Security Boost

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By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Two Supreme Court justices urged Congress on Tuesday to provide more money to boost security at their building, saying recent attacks on federal judges underscore the need.

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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 12:36 pm
For anyone who may need or want a quick reference.
http://tomdelay.house.gov/constitution/default.asp#topofpage
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2005 12:43 pm
yitwail wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
Well, LBJ started it all with his ill-named and ineffective "war on poverty".


true, but Nixon's war on cancer, Reagan's war on drugs, and Bush's war on terror haven't been unqualified successes.


And the war on poverty has also been an abject failure.
There are just as many poor people (percentage wise) as there was when LBJ started his "war".
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