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Impeach Kennedy for Being Supremacist Judge?Or Just Kill Him

 
 
Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 09:20 am
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And the Verdict on Justice Kennedy Is: Guilty

By Dana Milbank
Saturday, April 9, 2005; Page A03

Supreme Court Justice Anthony M. Kennedy is a fairly accomplished jurist, but he might want to get himself a good lawyer -- and perhaps a few more bodyguards.

Conservative leaders meeting in Washington yesterday for a discussion of "Remedies to Judicial Tyranny" decided that Kennedy, a Ronald Reagan appointee, should be impeached, or worse.

Although Justice Anthony M. Kennedy was named to the Supreme Court by President Ronald Reagan, he drew the ire of conservatives at a forum on the judiciary.

Phyllis Schlafly, doyenne of American conservatism, said Kennedy's opinion forbidding capital punishment for juveniles "is a good ground of impeachment." To cheers and applause from those gathered at a downtown Marriott for a conference on "Confronting the Judicial War on Faith," Schlafly said that Kennedy had not met the "good behavior" requirement for office and that "Congress ought to talk about impeachment."

Next, Michael P. Farris, chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association, said Kennedy "should be the poster boy for impeachment" for citing international norms in his opinions. "If our congressmen and senators do not have the courage to impeach and remove from office Justice Kennedy, they ought to be impeached as well."

Not to be outdone, lawyer-author Edwin Vieira told the gathering that Kennedy should be impeached because his philosophy, evidenced in his opinion striking down an anti-sodomy statute, "upholds Marxist, Leninist, satanic principles drawn from foreign law."

Ominously, Vieira continued by saying his "bottom line" for dealing with the Supreme Court comes from Joseph Stalin. "He had a slogan, and it worked very well for him, whenever he ran into difficulty: 'no man, no problem,' " Vieira said.

The full Stalin quote, for those who don't recognize it, is "Death solves all problems: no man, no problem." Presumably, Vieira had in mind something less extreme than Stalin did and was not actually advocating violence. But then, these are scary times for the judiciary. An anti-judge furor may help confirm President Bush's judicial nominees, but it also has the potential to turn ugly.

A judge in Atlanta and the husband and mother of a judge in Chicago were murdered in recent weeks. After federal courts spurned a request from Congress to revisit the Terri Schiavo case, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) said that "the time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior." Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) mused about how a perception that judges are making political decisions could lead people to "engage in violence."

"The people who have been speaking out on this, like Tom DeLay and Senator Cornyn, need to be backed up," Schlafly said to applause yesterday. One worker at the event wore a sticker declaring "Hooray for DeLay."

The conference was organized during the height of the Schiavo controversy by a new group, the Judeo-Christian Council for Constitutional Restoration. This was no collection of fringe characters. The two-day program listed two House members; aides to two senators; representatives from the Family Research Council and Concerned Women for America; conservative activists Alan Keyes and Morton C. Blackwell; the lawyer for Terri Schiavo's parents; Alabama's "Ten Commandments" judge, Roy Moore; and DeLay, who canceled to attend the pope's funeral.

The Schlafly session's moderator, Richard Lessner of the American Conservative Union, opened the discussion by decrying a "radical secularist relativist judiciary." It turned more harsh from there.

Schlafly called for passage of a quartet of bills in Congress that would remove courts' power to review religious displays, the Pledge of Allegiance, same-sex marriage and the Boy Scouts. Her speech brought a subtle change in the argument against the courts from emphasizing "activist" judges -- it was, after all, inaction by federal judges that doomed Schiavo -- to "supremacist" judges. "The Constitution is not what the Supreme Court says it is," Schlafly asserted.

Former representative William Dannemeyer (R-Calif.) followed Schlafly, saying the country's "principal problem" is not Iraq or the federal budget but whether "we as a people acknowledge that God exists."

Farris then told the crowd he is "sick and tired of having to lobby people I helped get elected." A better-educated citizenry, he said, would know that "Medicare is a bad idea" and that "Social Security is a horrible idea when run by the government." Farris said he would block judicial power by abolishing the concept of binding judicial precedents, by allowing Congress to vacate court decisions, and by impeaching judges such as Kennedy, who seems to have replaced Justice David H. Souter as the target of conservative ire. "If about 40 of them get impeached, suddenly a lot of these guys would be retiring," he said.

Vieira, a constitutional lawyer who wrote "How to Dethrone the Imperial Judiciary," escalated the charges, saying a Politburo of "five people on the Supreme Court" has a "revolutionary agenda" rooted in foreign law and situational ethics. Vieira, his eyeglasses strapped to his head with black elastic, decried the "primordial illogic" of the courts.

Invoking Stalin, Vieira delivered the "no man, no problem" line twice for emphasis. "This is not a structural problem we have; this is a problem of personnel," he said. "We are in this mess because we have the wrong people as judges."

A court spokeswoman declined to comment.


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Now, that's some scary **** for Sunday morning reading!
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 11:57 am
The call would be laughable, except that these idiots don't know any restraint.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 12:33 pm
They insist that there are no "litmus tests" for judicial appointees.

The Judeao Christian Council for Constitutiional Restoration. Isnt that a sort of oxymoron?
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 01:13 pm
Re: Impeach Kennedy for Being Supremacist Judge?Or Just Kill
squinney wrote:
[ This was no collection of fringe characters. The two-day program listed two House members; aides to two senators; representatives from the Family Research Council and Concerned Women for America; conservative activists Alan Keyes and Morton C. Blackwell; the lawyer for Terri Schiavo's parents; Alabama's "Ten Commandments" judge, Roy Moore; and DeLay, who canceled to attend the pope's funeral.



Without trying to sound overly paranoid, which I may be, I am beginning to think there is a coup d'état going on in this country in slow motion. The underlying foundations for a civil democratic society; legal,legislative and social, seem to be under assault across the board.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 01:15 pm
Ah, the joy of rebellion. It sounds so much like the ignorant rabble in Shakespeare's Henry IV Act IV scene ii

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."

And then in scene iii

"If we mean to thrive and do good, break open the gaols and let out the prisoners."

scene vi

"Thou has most traitorously corrupted the youth of the realm in erecting a grammar school... It will be proved to they face that thou hast men about thee that usually talk of noun and verb, and such abominable words as no Christian ear can endure to hear."
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 01:25 pm
parados wrote:
It sounds so much like the ignorant rabble in Shakespeare's Henry IV Act IV scene ii


That would make sense except that there are some heavy hitters on that list. People with real power and influence.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 01:41 pm
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A judge in Atlanta and the husband and mother of a judge in Chicago were murdered in recent weeks. After federal courts spurned a request from Congress to revisit the Terri Schiavo case, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) said that "the time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior." Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) mused about how a perception that judges are making political decisions could lead people to "engage in violence."

I think this is completely overdone. The killings had nothing to do with the Republican party.
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rodeman
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 02:29 pm
These right wing-nuts are getting really scary to me.....
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 02:43 pm
oy.....
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Piffka
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 03:34 pm
DrewDad wrote:
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A judge in Atlanta and the husband and mother of a judge in Chicago were murdered in recent weeks. After federal courts spurned a request from Congress to revisit the Terri Schiavo case, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) said that "the time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior." Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) mused about how a perception that judges are making political decisions could lead people to "engage in violence."

I think this is completely overdone. The killings had nothing to do with the Republican party.


One would certainly hope that is true, but the Stalin quote is a pretty strange way to discuss getting rid of a Supreme, doncha think?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 03:38 pm
acquiunk voiced a fear I have had for several years. "Without trying to sound overly paranoid, which I may be, I am beginning to think there is a coup d'état going on in this country in slow motion. The underlying foundations for a civil democratic society; legal,legislative and social, seem to be under assault across the board."
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 03:54 pm
Sadly, I share your fear, acquiunk and edgar. There seems to be a movement afoot in the legislative branch to severly curtail the much-vaunted "independence" of the judiciary. Those justices and judges just don't toe the line like they're supposed to do. Let's put a scare into them by impeaching a few. Of course, the legislature itself has given up most of its prerogatives and surrendered them to the executive. We have had half a dozen wars in the last 50 years -- Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Gulf War I, now Gulf War II-- yet no war has been declared by Congress since Dec. 8, 1941. It's all done by Executive Order now, in spite of what the Constitution says. So, there's the legislative branch safely out of the way. Now we need to deal with the judicial branch to make sure those Supremes stay in line, damnit.

I truly believe we are witnessing the end of the Republic, as it was intended by the founders, and the begining of the Empire, with autocratic rule from Washington, backed by a stong professional army (I miss the draft) and a legislature that routinely rubber-stamps edicts from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Might as well do away with the presidential elections, too. Since 2000, they've been pretty meaningless anyway.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 04:33 pm
Re: Impeach Kennedy for Being Supremacist Judge?Or Just Kill
squinney wrote:
Now, that's some scary **** for Sunday morning reading!

F*ck yeah.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 04:39 pm
I avoid conspiracy theories - but, even from this distance, this DOES sound very disturbing.

Is this not a problem re separation of powers?

CAN these people affect a sitting judge?

I mean, one often hears rumbles from governments about judicial decisions which do not go their way....
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Piffka
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 04:44 pm
They can impeach if they want... that means putting him on trial in the Senate (Clinton, for example, was impeached). However, if the Senate is so stupid as to remove him... then we'll know the coup d'etat has truly happened.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 04:55 pm
Er - do they not have to have some kind of evidence of wrongdoing in order to get an impeachment motion up?

Surely exercising his judicial powers is not such evidence?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 04:57 pm
The important thing to remember is this, my fellow patriots:

The pretty paint is finally peeling off.

As scary as this is, one has to think of the amazing opportunities this will present for the opposition in '06 and '08.

Cycloptichorn
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 04:59 pm
As a matter of interest, how common is this:

"Not to be outdone, lawyer-author Edwin Vieira told the gathering that Kennedy should be impeached because his philosophy, evidenced in his opinion striking down an anti-sodomy statute, "upholds Marxist, Leninist, satanic principles drawn from foreign law." "

sort of thinking in the US?

I know that you guys demonized communism - and that there appears to be an odd anti-Europe thing happening - but this is, surely, lunatic fringe stuff?

This is surely not mainstream conservative thought?
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Piffka
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 05:01 pm
dlowan wrote:
Er - do they not have to have some kind of evidence of wrongdoing in order to get an impeachment motion up?

Surely exercising his judicial powers is not such evidence?


Evidence of wrongdoing? LOL

He didn't let them have their way, that's enough. Our country is becoming more & more fxcked up... in case you hadn't noticed.

added... as long as I'm editing..
Sadly, Deb, that is exactly mainstream neo-conservatist thought...
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 10 Apr, 2005 05:03 pm
Yes, but Piffka - a bunch of apparent loonies at some sort of conference does not equal the US Senate/Congress, does it?

(Genuine questions, by the way - remember I am a long way away!

Our left and right moan and whinge about judicial decisions sometimes - and try to exert pressure - but actually removing a judge??? Whoa! I know our system is a bit different, though.

Here, they just about have to be caught taking money, or being sucked off from under the bench!)
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