Jeb Bush for prez "08"

Not necessarily. Were I too unrinate down your back and yell out that it's raining perhaps my meaning would be that it's raining piss on you. There is a question of clear meaning here, and what of the nuance in the statement? You cannot show an intent to mislead.

Rex wrote:

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Judges should have the right (and should exercise it often) to rule for life over property...

It is simply immoral to do otherwise...

That would no longer make us a country of laws. If judges were forced to rule the way YOU think is moral then we would be left with you as King. You could order judges to ignore the law when it suits your own morality.

Keep in mind this country is filled with 300 million different opinions of what is moral. Your opinion is no more valid than mine. (That includes your opinion that God is on your side vs my opinion that he is on mine.)

parados wrote:

Rex wrote:

Quote:

Judges should have the right (and should exercise it often) to rule for life over property...

It is simply immoral to do otherwise...

That would no longer make us a country of laws. If judges were forced to rule the way YOU think is moral then we would be left with you as King. You could order judges to ignore the law when it suits your own morality.

Keep in mind this country is filled with 300 million different opinions of what is moral. Your opinion is no more valid than mine. (That includes your opinion that God is on your side vs my opinion that he is on mine.)

What good is law when it is travesty?

Romans 8
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the "righteousness" of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is "life" and peace.

I neither fail nor refuse to consider motive or intent whatsoever, Tico. Your bringing up Clinton's lie is a pathetic attempt to justify the lies of the current admin by using the old 'well, Clinton did it/was worse' conservative tack, and it won't fly with me at all; it's so out of context that I won't even address it.

Your admittance that the idea of nuance and intent can be used to show that NO lie is a lie shows how unfit you are to even have this discussion, as far as I am concerned. I'm sure you could formulate convincing arguments that up is down and that black is, in fact, white; but your ability to twist the truth isn't something that intrests me.

Cheers

Cycloptichorn

I neither fail nor refuse to consider motive or intent whatsoever, Tico. Your bringing up Clinton's lie is a pathetic attempt to justify the lies of the current admin by using the old 'well, Clinton did it/was worse' conservative tack, and it won't fly with me at all; it's so out of context that I won't even address it.

Your admittance that the idea of nuance and intent can be used to show that NO lie is a lie shows how unfit you are to even have this discussion, as far as I am concerned. I'm sure you could formulate convincing arguments that up is down and that black is, in fact, white; but your ability to twist the truth isn't something that intrests me.

Cheers

Cycloptichorn

RexRed wrote:

parados wrote:

Rex wrote:

Quote:

Judges should have the right (and should exercise it often) to rule for life over property...

It is simply immoral to do otherwise...

That would no longer make us a country of laws. If judges were forced to rule the way YOU think is moral then we would be left with you as King. You could order judges to ignore the law when it suits your own morality.

Keep in mind this country is filled with 300 million different opinions of what is moral. Your opinion is no more valid than mine. (That includes your opinion that God is on your side vs my opinion that he is on mine.)

What good is law when it is travesty?

Romans 8
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the "righteousness" of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is "life" and peace.

You cannot compare the law of man with the law of Christ. He said so himself.

I offer this....

http://www.bartleby.com/59/1/renderuntoca.html

your point?

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I neither fail nor refuse to consider motive or intent whatsoever, Tico. Your bringing up Clinton's lie is a pathetic attempt to justify the lies of the current admin by using the old 'well, Clinton did it/was worse' conservative tack, and it won't fly with me at all; it's so out of context that I won't even address it.

Your admittance that the idea of nuance and intent can be used to show that NO lie is a lie shows how unfit you are to even have this discussion, as far as I am concerned. I'm sure you could formulate convincing arguments that up is down and that black is, in fact, white; but your ability to twist the truth isn't something that intrests me.

Cheers

Cycloptichorn

I didn't bring up Clinton's lie ...

I never said "NO lie is a lie," and would ask you to quit trying to interpret what I write if you are going to do so badly.

Yeah, sorry for the misread. But by Tico's standards, that wasn't a lie at all, you do realize that?

After all, you can't prove what he intended to mean by 'sexual relations' which is a very subjective term. You don't know what nuances he was empahsizing or what his intent was at all.

Of course, anyone would say that this is ridiculous; but so are Bush's lies, ridiculous lies that cannot be explained away by 'nuance' unless you are hiding your head in the f*cking sand.

Cycloptichorn

1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2 : to create a false or misleading impression