Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 04:33 am
Warren wasn't asked about her latest healthcare flip flop, Pete wasn't asked about his Douglas plan.
Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 05:44 am
Jimmy Dore

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Buttigieg is building a movement made up of people who are afraid of movements.
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revelette3
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 09:49 am
Out of all of them at the debate last night, I was impressed the most with Sen. Amy Klobuchar. Wish she and Harris would concentrate more in staying in the senate, but I was also impressed with Harris last night when she took on Gabbard. Both could easily take on Trump; but Klobuchar seems to be able articulate her own positions or policy better.

However, after the whole day of the impeachment hearings which lasted well into the afternoon, it was a kind of anti-climax kind of feel watching it and I must confess, I turned the channel well before it was over. So I might of missed other important moments.
Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 10:15 am
It was cool the way Tulsi took Kamala out at the knees by pointing out Kamala just parroted the nasty smears against Tulsi instead of talking about about the issues and what's needed from a CIC.
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revelette3
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 11:14 am
@Brand X,
According to Politico (which is where I happen to be reading this morning) the answer to why the debaters went soft on Buttigieg was because rivals wanted to wait and see if his poll numbers last beyond Iowa and places like that. Which is doubtful, IMO. Aren't those state predominantly white and liberal?

Why Pete Buttigieg got a pass in the debate

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But Kamala Harris declined a served-on-a-platter chance to hit Buttigieg again over a recent campaign misstep involving a stock photo of black people, instead pivoting to her own case for the Democratic nomination.


And Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, who remain packed together with Buttigieg at the top of recent Iowa and New Hampshire polls, didn’t take him on at all — a testament to the still-unsettled nature of the 2020 primary campaign and concerns about alienating potential voters with negative attacks less than three months before voting starts in Iowa.

Several campaigns question whether Buttigieg really has staying power in those early state polls and are waiting to see whether he’ll fall back to earth on his own, without a push. “This is just Pete’s moment,” said Jeff Weaver, a Sanders adviser, “and we’ll see, we’ll see whether he stays up or goes down.”
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 11:51 am
@revelette3,
Since Iowa and New Hampshire moved to the beginning of the calendar, no one has ever been nominated without being in the top four in the Iowa caucuses and in the top two in the New Hampshire primary.

The only exception to this rule has been when the person who was on track to win the nomination withdrew after Iowa and New Hampshire had already voted (like LBJ in 1968).

So they do mean quite a lot. But they aren't necessarily everything. If both of the top two in New Hampshire are also in the top four in Iowa, we would still have a two-person race going into Super Tuesday.
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 12:47 pm
Michael Tracey

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Oh my god. Joy Reid, after the debate, condemns Tulsi for having views on regime change wars that are "straight out of the Kremlin." That's the sick mentality of MSNBC, and that's why they tried to railroad her last night
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 12:51 pm
@revelette3,
Pete has 0% black vote. His Iowa numbers were up mainly because his TV ad ratio was 10 to 1 over the others.
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 01:23 pm
Bloomberg is officially in.
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revelette3
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 01:31 pm
@Brand X,
I am interested in the Douglas plan outside of the presidential race and the surrounding controversy surrounding it. Later when I get around to it, I might look it up and see what it all entails.
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 01:36 pm
@Brand X,
True, but if he gets a win in Iowa, people who aren't paying attention to him will give me another look. He has been very smart in pushing hard in Iowa to get into the mix.
Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 04:08 pm
@engineer,
I think he has a good ground game crew, he will def fool some people some of the time.
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 04:58 pm
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...Demonstrating how divisive her campaign has become, the Trump War Room tweeted out a video clip of Gabbard attacking her own party with a “100” emoji. It received 4,500 retweets and 15,000 likes.

The vast majority of [Gabbard's] support comes from male voters, according to FiveThirtyEight. She’s also more likely to attract support from Democratic primary voters who supported President Donald Trump in 2016, according to a November poll from The Economist/YouGov.
Politico

I'm utterly shocked by these facts.
BillW
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 06:49 pm
@revelette3,
I have liked Amy for years. I actually think her and Harris would make a great team to beat the Repubs in 20x2!
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2019 05:18 am
Truthout interview in which Noam Chomsky says
1. Democrats are void of a cohesive, meaningful message that might get them elected
2. This disarray and mealy-mouthed corporate allegiance will likely hand the election to Trump.
3. The world cannot withstand four more years of Trump.




Vote Bernie.

https://able2know.org/topic/355218-3836#post-6930368
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2019 06:03 am
And Obama be like.....stop hoping for change!
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2019 09:36 am
@blatham,
Hmmm. Sanders/Gabbard? Just saying...
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revelette3
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2019 09:51 am
I have read an outline of Buttigieg's Douglas Plan, I don't pretend to know if it is good or feasible. However, at least he does attempt to address very real problems in the Black and to a lesser extent the of the minorities problems in areas of housing, and whole of issues stemming from years of systematic discrimination and Jim Crow and going back as far slavery. He didn't just show up in a black church and give a good sounding speech. Though I agree with Rep. Omar, his roll out so to speak was unacceptable and unnecessary. In other words, a mistake.

Buttigieg details ‘Douglass Plan’ for black Americans (WP)

To back up this thought (not well expressed by me) is a very good piece in the NYT well worth reading.

The Racism Right Before Our Eyes
There is implicit bias — and then there is behavior like this.

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Most of our public discourse about racism — when it’s not about violence or monuments or presidential rhetoric — is about white privilege, implicit bias and structural racism. Instead of specific actors, we tend to focus on forces that don’t actually implicate anyone in particular.

Those forces are real. And those conversations are important. Racial inequality is about the structure of our society. But it’s also about more ordinary bias and discrimination.

There are still racist individuals. They still act in racist ways. And in the aggregate, their actions still work to disadvantage entire groups on the basis of race. It’s not as visible as it once was, but it is real, and it still weighs on the lives — and the livelihoods — of millions of people.

A potent example comes from a deep new investigation of housing discrimination. Working with outside experts, Newsday, the leading newspaper on Long Island, conducted a three-year investigation into racism in the housing market there, sending pairs of undercover testers (black and white, Hispanic and white, Asian and white) in sequence to realtors throughout the area.

The testers reported racially disparate treatment in 40 percent of interactions with realtors. Black testers experienced disparate treatment in 49 percent of cases, Hispanic testers in 39 percent and Asian testers in 19 percent. Some realtors refused to show listings or conduct house tours for minority testers, others steered them away from predominantly white neighborhoods. They warned white testers away from black or Hispanic neighborhoods while also showing more listings and allowing them to see homes without proof of mortgage-ready financing.

This was one investigation in one part of the country with a specific history of housing discrimination and racism. But a similar study from 2012 — conducted by the Urban Institute and the Department of Housing and Urban Development — showed nationwide patterns of housing discrimination. After conducting 8,000 tests in a representative sample of 28 metropolitan areas, researchers found that, compared with whites, black renters and home buyers were shown substantially fewer units, as were, to a lesser extent, Asian-Americans and Hispanics.

Discrimination is common, not just in housing, but in employment as well. Fifty-six percent of black Americans, 33 percent of Hispanics and 27 percent of Asian-Americans said they experienced racial discrimination when applying for jobs, according to a 2017 survey by NPR and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. Their self-reporting is backed by data. A 2017 meta-analysis of field experiments on racial discrimination found that for black Americans, discrimination has been static — there has been no change since 1989. Whites still receive more than a third more callbacks for jobs, even after accounting for education, local labor market conditions and other factors.

Not every instance of workplace discrimination is reported to authorities — far from it. But it’s not for nothing that the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, a federal agency tasked with tackling unfair treatment in the labor market, has received hundreds of thousands of complaints of racial discrimination at workplaces since 2010.

Large and persistent racial gaps in housing and employment are a fact of American life. The black unemployment rate is still consistently higher than the white unemployment rate; blacks are still disproportionately concentrated in low-wage, low-advancement positions; and African-Americans are still more likely than any other group to live in neighborhoods of concentrated poverty and disadvantage. “It is difficult or in some cases impossible to reproduce in white communities the structural circumstances under which many black Americans live,” as the sociologist William Julius Wilson put it.

A good deal of this is the long overhang of past discrimination, the legacy of Jim Crow and redlining and urban renewal and the deliberate neglect of communities of color by authorities at all levels of government. But despite what we might believe about modern American society, some of it is the result of ongoing explicit discrimination. Millions of Americans are still taking deliberate action to deny jobs and homes on the basis of race.
A recent study shows how this might look in practice. Black and white job seekers receive job leads from their social networks at similar rates. They use those networks at similar rates, too. But as David Pedulla and Devah Pager (who died last year) show,

black job seekers are less likely than white job seekers to (1) know someone at the companies to which they are submitting applications, and (2) have their network mobilize key resources on their behalf, specifically contact an employer on their behalf.


This could be an unfortunate happenstance, I guess. But more likely it reflects past discrimination and how it continues to shape the labor market, especially when present and future opportunity depends on past access.

There are solutions — you can expand state and federal anti-discrimination agencies, as well as fully enforce the Fair Housing Act, for starters — but the first step is to shake ourselves of the idea that explicit racial discrimination is yesterday’s problem. It’s a live force in American life that works in tandem with structural racism to recapitulate past injustice and reproduce racial disadvantage, a one-two punch that ensures its future.


Now I understand what Harris meant when she later after the debate said comparing groups of discrimination is unhelpful, to an extent. (words to that effect) Homosexuals do not have the systematic history and quite the quantity of discrimination as the Black community has had all these years.

However, imagine an open homosexual couple on tour of housing in a mid-western, or even a state like Indiana, seeking a place of residence anywhere together. Some of the realtors might be offended and be reluctant to the best he or she would do a heterosexual couple on a tour of potential housing. The same would go for job interviews and the like.

What I am getting at I can see why Pete Buttigieg would empathize with black discrimination and I do not think it is insulting or unhelpful to compare similar groups of people who experience discrimination.

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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2019 12:25 pm
I think it was this thread where Finn made the charge that some of us lefties were hypocrites for noting that the Hong Kong protesters were in danger of getting themselves into a situation where, possibly, many might be killed and their protests very violently crushed. To advance such cautions, Finn seemed to think, was to betray a burgeoning democratic movement.

Well, contrast with this:
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Trump says he might veto legislation that aims to protect human rights in Hong Kong because bill could affect China trade talks
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2019 01:46 pm
@blatham,
"an imperfect vessel"
 

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