Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2019 04:05 pm
@blatham,
The only person I have read such claims from was Hightor, and I think it was on this thread.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2019 04:48 pm
@Baldimo,
What do you mean, comrade — do you have reason to believe that no more lives will be lost so you're no longer concerned? I don't quite get your drift.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2019 05:04 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
What do you mean, comrade — do you have reason to believe that no more lives will be lost so you're no longer concerned? I don't quite get your drift.

If they want their own independent govt, many more lives are going to be lost, but there is nothing we can do for the dead, it's those who survive that I will worry the most for if China is successful is squashing their uprising.

My drift was, that you didn't seem to think the violence was worth it for them.
hightor
 
  2  
Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2019 05:19 pm
@Baldimo,
No, I don't want to see another Tienanmen Square massacre. Did you know that Hong Kong will be holding local elections in a few days? I'd like to see those elections go forward. There are lots of pro-democracy candidates running and I think it's a lot more constructive than rioting.
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InfraBlue
 
  2  
Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2019 05:20 pm
@Baldimo,
Look at where the militant and terrorist Palestinians' violence has gotten the Palestinians.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2019 07:43 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
"an imperfect vessel"
Strongly imperfect.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 05:38 am
Michael Moore’s most recent piece on Truthout’s new platform RSN (Reader Supported News)
https://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/59857-bernie-comes-in-at-1?fbclid=IwAR3CootKQD6Gbo09THtH0cWK8uc6hVni6Tb964suOXZc1vY3K9z2VNyW10Q
Bernie Comes in at #1
By Michael Moore, Michael Moore's Facebook Page
21 November 19


id you know in the last 6 weeks, in various polls in the early primary/caucus states, Bernie has come in at #1 in New Hampshire, #1 in Nevada, #1 in Georgia (Bernie beats Trump by a greater margin than any Democrat!) and, in this week’s CBS poll, Bernie’s currently tied at #1 in Iowa! Bernie’s also #1 NATIONWIDE in nearly every poll among Latinos and #1 with all young adults, 18-35 years old! Also - he’s #1 with young black women (Essence Magazine poll). Have you heard any of this? What’s the point with the media not running this news? We have a great field of Democratic candidates, so why not just be fair? It’s as if the fact that Bernie Sanders is beloved by millions must not be shared with the general public. To whose ends does this serve? Stop it! No censorship! The more he gets blacked-out, the more his popularity grows. The public senses the powers-that-be don’t want him elected. Well, that’s the SUREST way of getting him elected! I know how this works from personal experience. Back in 2004, when Disney tried to block anyone from seeing my movie “Fahrenheit 9/11”, all that did was make everyone want to go see it — and THAT made it the largest-grossing documentary of all time! So, on second thought, my good friends in the media, keep ignoring Bernie! Do NOT run a story on how he set an AMERICAN record yesterday with the most individual donors in a Presidential campaign ever (over 4 million), has the most volunteers of any candidate, and according to the NY Times poll last week, is the only candidate who beats Trump head-to-head in all three states Trump won the electoral college with in 2016 — MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN and PENNSYLVANIA. Just forget I even wrote that! Bernie who?! Bwwaaaaaaa!!
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hightor
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 06:20 am
Michael Moore wrote:
The more he gets blacked-out, the more his popularity grows. (...) So, on second thought, my good friends in the media, keep ignoring Bernie!


I wrote:
What I don't understand is why the Sanders people are making such a big deal about this. They've written off the mainstream media as a bunch of biased corporatist hacks and now they complain that their candidate isn't getting sufficient attention and positive coverage. So why not interpret this as validation of Sanders? Would you really want Sanders portrayed as some sort of establishment "golden boy"? There should be tension between Sanders and those who exist serve the status quo. He's not Jimmy Carter — that's the point.

https://able2know.org/topic/527328-32#post-6925781
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 10:24 am
No one’s talking about this, and I think Harris could be top of ticket just as well or better than anyone running. But I still think that a Biden/Harris ticket would be a strong contender.
BillW
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 10:27 am
@snood,
Agreed!
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 11:09 am
@InfraBlue,
Btw, I went to Bernie’s site and he is a proponent of the Two State Solution. I’m sure he’d adore the shared power solution you advocate if it becomes possible. I think it may become possible because I’m pretty sure President Bernie will be using ‘aid’ to Israel as a carrot/stick.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 11:18 am
It’s really been something to watch Bernie fans rewrite history in front of our eyes over the last few years to make him out to be a longtime movement organizer and progressive leader. Until very recently, he was neither of those things - he was a backbencher crank in Congress.

He went to a few civil rights protests in college and then he took a solid 40+ years off from movement work. His ideology was mostly very consistent, yes. But he didn’t have a ******* clue what to do with it.

If you support him now and believe deeply in the way he has inspired people since 2015, that’s great! But be honest about who he is and what he’s really done.

And not for nothing, when Occupy, a clear antecedent of Bernie’s following, first came on the scene, Bernie was nowhere to be found. He wasn’t part of it. But guess who was?

Elizabeth Warren.


Shannon @TheStagmania
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 11:24 am
The shitty centrist candidates will if one gets elected continue us in the tradition that made Bush Trump Hillary Reagan Warren, Buttigieg and Biden possible. I quit posting much because I see now that the centrists and Republicans posting here are incapable of learning. Just remember you get what you vote for. Adios.
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 11:31 am
@snood,
Hahaha!! This is the establishment rewrite on the truth—which is thankfully recorded for posterity from...1960s? Bernie talking to school children about climate change and environmentalism in the 70s? Calling out Alan Greenspan and pharmaceutical companies in the 80s? Supporting Jesse Jackson for president, taking Americans to Canada for life-saving medicine, marching with workers...

Meanwhile, until her late 40s, Elizabeth Warren was a Republican, speaking to the Tea Party and getting ahead through racial misappropriation.

Not surprised that’s your hero.

Another faker, like your pal droning neoliberal Obama And Kamala the Cop.

You really know how to pick em.

My god—how those three have been race betrayers. I just realized that.

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Lash
 
  0  
Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 11:42 am
Liz Was a Diehard Conservative’
Elizabeth Warren doesn’t like to talk about it, but for years she was a registered Republican. Why she left the GOP—and what it means for her campaign.
By ALEX THOMPSON
04/12/2019 05:03 AM EDT
Alex Thompson is a national political reporter at Politico.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/magazine/amp/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613
“Fight.” It’s the signature word of Senator Elizabeth Warren’s short but consequential political career.

It’s in the title of both of the books she has published as a senator: A Fighting Chance and This Fight Is Our Fight. In her speech declaring her presidential candidacy in February, Warren told the crowd, “This is the fight of our lives” and, “I’ve been in this fight for a long time.” Her 2020 campaign asks voters to “Join the Fight.” Kate McKinnon-as-Warren on “Saturday Night Live” explained, “That’s the only f-word I know.”

But Warren used to be on the other side of the fight she is now waging. For many years before she entered politics, the woman now at the forefront of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party was a Republican.

County governments in New Jersey and Texas, where Warren lived in the 1970s and ’80s, could not locate Warren’s voter registration records, and the senator herself is circumspect about her political past. But records from the time Warren spent living in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts make clear that she was a registered Republican for at least several years of her midcareer adult life. It was not until 1996—when Warren was 47 years old and a newly minted Harvard law professor—that she changed her registration from Republican to Democrat.

Warren has acknowledged her Republican past before, but she does not often discuss it, or else downplays it. In a recent interview over tea at her home in Cambridge, Massachusetts, she said she assumes the first time she registered as a Democrat was 1996, but added, “I’m not even 100 percent sure what I was registered as.” According to Warren, in the six presidential elections she voted in before 1996, she cast her ballot for just one GOP nominee, Gerald Ford in 1976. She does not talk about her Republican past in either of her books or as part of the biography she recounts in her stump speech; the information often comes as a surprise even to Beltway politicos and longtime Warren allies.

“I was just never very political,” is how Warren explains her Republican years. “I just never thought much about the political end.”

Friends and colleagues agree that Warren wasn’t much of a political activist in her youth or the early part of her career. But Warren’s intellectual journey is more complicated than the apathy-to-activism route she often presents.

Some on the left have already pointed out the less-than-progressive stances in her 2003 book, The Two Income Trap, including the rejection of a “quasi-socialist safety net to rival the European model.” But a review of Warren’s early scholarship and interviews with more than 20 friends and colleagues from her high school years through her academic career reveal a longer conservative track record that has not been fully explored. Warren’s conservatism centered not on social issues like abortion or gay rights, friends say, but on economic policy, the dominant focus of her academic work and now her presidential candidacy.

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Katrina Harry, one of Warren’s best friends in high school in Oklahoma, remembers that she and Warren “talked politics a lot, taxes and welfare and such, and I was just a flaming liberal back then.” Harry adds, “Liz was a diehard conservative in those days. … Now we’ve swapped—a 180-degree turn and an about-face.”

“Liz was sometimes surprisingly anti-consumer in her attitude,” says law professor Calvin Johnson, a colleague of Warren’s at the University of Texas at Austin in the early 1980s, who was also her neighbor and carpooled with Warren and her husband, Bruce Mann.

“I remember the first time I became aware of her as a political person and heard her speak, I almost fell off my chair,” says Rutgers law professor Gary Francione, who was a colleague of Warren’s at the University of Pennsylvania in the late 1980s. “She’s definitely changed. It’s absolutely clear that something happened.”

(Voting records from the time Warren spent living in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts are pictured.)

Voter records from the time Warren spent living in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts make clear that she was a registered Republican for at least several years of her adult life. It was not until 1996, when she was 47, that she changed her registration to Democrat.
The story of Warren’s awakening—from a true believer in free markets to a business-bashing enforcer of fair markets; from a moderate Republican who occasionally missed an election to one of the most liberal senators in America vying to lead the Democratic Party—breaks the mold of the traditional White House contender and is key to understanding how she sees the world: with a willingness to change when presented with new data, and the anger of someone who trusted the system and felt betrayed.

Warren herself says that in her early academic work she was merely following the dominant theory of the time, which emphasized the efficiency of free markets and unrestrained businesses, rather than holding strong conservative beliefs herself. Still, she acknowledged in our interview that she underwent a profound change in how she viewed public policy early in her academic career, describing the experience as “worse than disillusionment” and “like being shocked at a deep-down level.”

Her conversion was ideological before it turned partisan. The first shift came in the mid-’80s, as she traveled to bankruptcy courts across the country to review thousands of individual cases—a departure from the more theoretical academic approach—and saw that Americans filing for bankruptcy more closely resembled her own family, who struggled financially, rather than the irresponsible deadbeats she had expected.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 11:49 am
Lyin’ Liz: Chapter 456546

#IStandWithIlhan and 13 others liked
Mike Warren
@MichaelRWarren
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After Elizabeth Warren told an activist last night that her kids "went to public schools," campaign admits Warren sent her son to a private school after the 5th grade.
https://freebeacon.com/politics/video-warren-confronted-by-school-choice-activist-over-sending-son-to-private-school/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


Damn, she can’t stop lying.

She also froze on stage as an audience of black women began chanting, “We want to be heard!” Her surrogate had to come on stage and calm the crowd. The photo looks like Liz hiding behind Ayanna Pressley.

Yeah, she’d fare well against Trump.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 12:09 pm
@snood,
Quote:
It’s really been something to watch Bernie fans rewrite history in front of our eyes over the last few years to make him out to be a longtime movement organizer and progressive leader. Until very recently, he was neither of those things - he was a backbencher crank in Congress.

He went to a few civil rights protests in college and then he took a solid 40+ years off from movement work. His ideology was mostly very consistent, yes. But he didn’t have a ******* clue what to do with it.

If you support him now and believe deeply in the way he has inspired people since 2015, that’s great! But be honest about who he is and what he’s really done.

And not for nothing, when Occupy, a clear antecedent of Bernie’s following, first came on the scene, Bernie was nowhere to be found. He wasn’t part of it. But guess who was?

Elizabeth Warren.

Although Bernie himself is still a good person, all of the points you made in this post are definitely valid.
hightor
 
  3  
Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 12:12 pm
@Real Music,
Quote:
...all of the points you made in this post are spot on.


I sure hope they originated in a trusted source like the Washington Free Beacon.
snood
 
  2  
Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 12:21 pm
@hightor,
I just cut and paste a tweet from a regular person.
Real Music
 
  1  
Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 12:23 pm
@snood,
That particular tweet by that person made some strong valid points.
 

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