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Any Suggestions on What Can Be Winning [Strategy] For Democrats?

 
 
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2018 08:15 am
@layman,
An average two bedroom apartment is about $1000. Working a 40 hr work week at minimum wage is $340, times 4 = $1360, gross. Then there's utilities, food, transportation that leaves absolutely nothing left over.

As expenses rose, wages did not.
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livinglava
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2018 08:35 am
For me it would be very difficult to trust democrats to actually do what they say they want to do. The Trump auto tariffs will do more for achieving the Paris Climate objectives and all the countries that are in that treaty also oppose the tariffs because they care more about making money selling cars to the US as a polluter than they do about making economic sacrifices that would actually be good for the climate.

That pretty much sums up how I see the democrats' 'strong' government. I.e. they make ostensibly strong regulations and policies that are supposed to effectuate positive changes, but yet they don't work because people and businesses just find ways to go on polluting and wasting.

So Idk what they could actually do to prove they're effective and not just identity-politicking. They've had many chances and every time they put the economy first and just pay lip service to everything else to justify economic stimulus. Maybe the first step would be to propose ways of governing that don't automatically redistribute money and thus stimulate economic spending. If they did that, though, most people would assume that they are going to switch gears and start the economic stimulus against once in power, because that is always their main objective, if not their only true objective.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2018 10:04 am
@livinglava,
President Plump's trade wars with China, Canada, Mexico and the European Union are a disaster for American workers. As one example, Canada is a major auto parts manufacturer, and thanks to the 1964 Auto pact with the United States, exports 75% of its auto parts to the United States. Thanks to the idiot Plump, automobiles made with Canadian auto parts (which means almost all autos produced by the big three) will cost more because of his moronic tariffs on steel and aluminum. The Chinese immediately and intelligently responded to his bullsh*t by putting high tariffs onf soy beans, soy products and hogs and pork products. That hurts the export markets for American farmers, in states that voted for Plump, which is exactly what the Chinese intended.

Truly, Tillerson hit the nail on the head when he described Plump as a moron.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2018 10:23 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
Truly, Tillerson hit the nail on the head when he described Plump as a moron.

That has never been proven, so why repeat it? If you have a source that has Tillerson or Trump admitting it, post it. What is the point of perpetuating a lie?
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2018 10:36 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
That hurts the export markets for American farmers, in states that voted for Plump, which is exactly what the Chinese intended.

I see, China is out to punish the people that voted for Trump. Do you read the crap you post? That is just another lie, China is dealing with Trump, not the voters.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2018 10:49 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
automobiles made with Canadian auto parts (which means almost all autos produced by the big three) will cost more because of his moronic tariffs on steel and aluminum.

Would you like to tell us how much more? In reality it could be 3 to 400.00 dollars. For a major purchase that is not much more. It certainly is crumbs to some people, like Pelosi. Your whole post is an exaggeration.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2018 01:28 pm
@Setanta,
It's been running to our benefit so far.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-aluminum-shows-its-mettle-in-face-of-trump-s-tariff-1.4686655

I don't expect that to continue indefinitely but some good investing of the profits in the past few months has enriched some Canadian companies/individuals.

Quote:
Following Trump's announcement the base price of aluminum on the London Metals Exchange, which has been trending lazily downward, suddenly spiked from about 90 cents a pound to $1.20. It remains 15 per cent higher than it was, a bonanza for producers. It rose again on Thursday's news that allies' tariff exemptions would end.

"Trump wrote a cheque for $600 million to Canadian aluminum producers," said Jorge Vasquez of Harbor Aluminum in Austin, Tex., who has served as an adviser to both the U.S. International Trade Commission and the Canadian Trade Tribunal.

In effect, Trump's actions transferred more than half a billion dollars from the U.S. economy to Canada's since March
.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/list-tariff-items-cost-more-1.4728955

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tariffs-explainer-the-house-1.4726668

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US car prices -potential impacts

https://globalnews.ca/news/4287887/trump-auto-tariffs-canada-car-prices/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/07/03/car-prices-trump-auto-tariffs/745342002/

these increases are on top of the first forecasts of increases based on steel/aluminum tariffs

http://fortune.com/2018/04/02/toyota-tariffs-increase-car-prices-trade-war-steel-aluminum/

simplification of the process may help

http://theautolane.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Model-T.jpg
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Real Music
 
  2  
Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2018 10:34 pm
Progressives poised to shape agenda if Dems take back House.

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Move over, House Freedom Caucus. Progressive lawmakers are poised to play a pivotal role in the next Congress if Democrats take back the House in November.

That's because a dozen members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) are in line to chair congressional committees, which would give the left-leaning group immense power to influence the chamber's legislative agenda and strengthen their hand as chief antagonists to President Trump.

The stunning primary victory of self-described democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez over Rep. Joe Crowley (D-N.Y.) has also opened up a coveted spot at the leadership table, bolstering the argument that progressives should have more representation in the party's top ranks.

Some congressional observers are predicting that congressional progressives could emerge as the liberal equivalent of the House Freedom Caucus, a group that has been highly effectively at pushing the GOP further to the right by banding together as a conservative voting bloc.

"The Freedom Caucus has been a big player in the House because of the big Republican advances in 2010," said Brad Bannon, a Democratic strategist. "I think that's a good analogy for what will happen with the Democratic members."

The Freedom Caucus, a group of roughly 30 conservative rabble-rousers, was launched in the years following the 2010 tea party wave that swept the Republicans back into power on Capitol Hill.

Now, many members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus believe their political star is on the rise, with some election experts predicting a blue wave this fall, largely fueled by anti-Trump energy on the left.

The CPC has 76 voting members in the House, and the caucus is expecting to add more lawmakers to its ranks next year after endorsing 28 candidates, like Ocasio-Cortez, this election cycle.

Some of the key issues the CPC has been championing include Medicare for all, free college tuition, lower prescription drug costs, criminal justice reform and a massive infrastructure program.

Several progressive lawmakers are in prime positions to advance legislation in those areas if Democrats win the House in the midterm elections.

Twelve CPC members hold the top-ranking Democratic seat on a committee, and 30 others are ranking members on a subcommittee.

That list includes Rep. Maxine Waters (Calif.), the top Democrat on the Financial Services Committee and a favorite among the party's young, liberal base, in large part because of her early calls for Trump's impeachment and viral showdowns with administration officials.

As ranking member, the Los Angeles lawmaker has called for subpoenaing records from Deutsche Bank to explore any Trump financial ties to Russia. As head of the committee, she would have greater control over those kinds of document requests.

"Even if Democrats only take back control of the House by three seats, it still gives them enormous power because of the role Congress has in investigations," Bannon said. "You're going to see subpoenas flying out to the White House like confetti."

Other CPC members who hold top Democratic posts on key committees include Jerry Nadler (N.Y.) on Judiciary; Elijah Cummings (Md.) on Oversight and Government Reform; Frank Pallone Jr. (N.J.) on Energy and Commerce; and Peter DeFazio (Ore.) on Transportation and Infrastructure.

Meanwhile, Rep. Jim McGovern (Mass.), another progressive lawmaker, is the ranking member on the powerful Rules Committee, which serves as the gateway for most bills before they come to the House floor for a vote.

The Progressive Caucus could take a page out of the Freedom Caucus playbook by banding together to sink any legislation that doesn't meet their standards.

But progressive lawmakers say that they would rather play an influential role by working with party leadership to help shape the Democratic agenda -- or better yet, have a spot at the leadership table themselves.

Some of the names floated for leadership positions include Rep. Mark Pocan (Wis.), co-chairman of the progressive caucus; Rep. Pramila Jayapal (Wash.), vice-chairwoman of the group; and Rep. Ro Khanna (Calif.), a first-term lawmaker from the Bay Area who endorsed both Crowley and Ocasio-Cortez in the New York primary.

"There's going to be a lot of members who are going to want to see more progressive policies become a part of the Democratic platform," Khanna told The Hill. "It's important we have a progressive member in leadership."

Even before primary season began, frustrated rank-and-file Democrats had been clamoring for a change in the party's entrenched leadership, where the top three lawmakers are all in their 70s and have held a firm grip on power for more than a decade.

Progressive lawmakers say the identity of the Democratic party is clearly changing, and they argue that leadership should better reflect the makeup of the caucus, especially if the incoming class is more progressive, younger and has more women.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has been quick to defend her liberal bona fides in the wake of Crowley's loss to Ocasio-Cortez.

"I'm female. I'm progressive. What's your problem?" Pelosi told reporters at a press conference last week.

But if Pelosi and her leadership team don't aggressively push for progressive priorities next year, Khanna says the CPC will have another tool at its disposal to keep leadership in check: social media.

Khanna pointed out that Ocasio-Cortez and other progressive candidates have massive followings on social media and significant grassroots support, which could help keep outside pressure on leadership to pursue progressive policies.

"You have a lot of these new members who have extraordinary national followings and will be able to mobilize hundreds of thousands of people around policies," Khanna said. "And that's a new currency of influence that has been undervalued in Washington."

"Colleagues are going to want to listen to those individuals," he added.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/progressives-poised-to-shape-agenda-if-dems-take-back-house/ar-AAzAVjz
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revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2018 12:38 pm
Whatever strategy democrats come up with and how the democrat party will look after midterms, we got a long difficult road getting there. I wouldn't rely too much on those who boast about a blue wave. It is just unlucky to boast about winning before the mid-terms has even begun.

Those on the far left are going to be ones targeted, and as democrats we have all got band together and support them against Trump and the republicans. A fractured party serves the republicans only.

Rep. Mark Pocan has been getting tweets from the President for his views on ICE, which when you read his views do not seem all that radical. So far is handling Trump pretty good.


Democratic lawmaker has perfect rebuttal to White House’s targeted Twitter abuse

Quote:
“Thanks for reaching out @WhiteHouse, but don’t @ me until you’ve reunited all 2,300 kids with their families,” Pocan tweeted.


As far as free everything, I just think it is a little irresponsible. Kind of like republicans calling for more and more tax cuts, no matter who the tax cuts benefits, they just want more tax cuts. Both sound good, but unless there is careful thought and planning and backups for when things go wrong, it is irresponsible governing in my opinion.

ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2018 12:49 pm
@Real Music,
Quote:
Move over, House Freedom Caucus. Progressive lawmakers are poised to play a pivotal role in the next Congress if Democrats take back the House in November.


they've got to get past that if first

they've got to keep getting Democrats elected

what are voters looking for?
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Lash
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2018 02:08 pm
@revelette1,
You and others have been conditioned to believe that we can afford billions of dollars for a military industrial complex so that we can afford to blow the world to smithereens 50 thousand times, and an acceptable trade-off is that Americans die because they can’t afford healthcare.

Get over that lie.

You don’t know what’s ‘free’ and what’s designed to control your vote.

Don’t be so easy to fool.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2018 04:03 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
You and others have been conditioned to believe that we can afford billions of dollars for a military industrial complex so that we can afford to blow the world to smithereens 50 thousand times,
We can't afford to not have a strong military.

Lash wrote:
and an acceptable trade-off is that Americans die because they can’t afford healthcare.
Poor healthcare is not due to our strong defense.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2018 04:20 pm
The Democrats should go with socialism openly. 13% support it.
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A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 74% of Likely U.S. Voters prefer a free market economic system over a socialist system. Only 13% think socialism is a better economic system, and just as many (13%) are undecided.

Sound good Dems?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2018/voters_overwhelmingly_prefer_free_market_to_socialism
revelette1
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2018 08:27 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 74% of Likely U.S. Voters prefer a free market economic system over a socialist system. Only 13% think socialism is a better economic system, and just as many (13%) are undecided.


Change the question to free or government provided health care and you would get a different response.

Also, rasmussen has always leaned conservative, that is why you get a poll which in any way favors democrats from rasmmussen, it is a big deal and probably understatated.
revelette1
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2018 08:46 am
@Lash,
I am tired of your assumptions and advise which is usually wrong.

https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=p3&chs=728x250&chco=cc0000,4040ff,00cc00,cc8800,66cc00,0088ff,00ff70,ffcc88,808080&chf=bg,s,e8e8ff&chd=t:19,22,15,12,6,4,4,3,8,6&chl=Pensions inc. SoSec 19%|Health care 22%|Education 15%|Defense 12%|Welfare 6%|Protection 4%|Transportation 4%|Gen. Government 3%|Other Spending 8%|Interest 6%&chtt=Total Spending: $7.13 trillion for - FY 2018&chts=606060,18,c

source

Even if we drastically reduce spending for defense, I do not see how we could pay for both Medicare for all and free Colleges for all without raising taxes. Perhaps it could be a goal to gradually achieve while making changes to both in the meanwhile. I agree we don't need to be everywhere in the world we are at, but; I don't agree we should have our military underprepared in case of future events.

It is these extreme black and white solutions from both the ultra right and the ultra left which I take issue with.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2018 09:01 am
@revelette1,
Quote:

Change the question to free or government provided health care and you would get a different response.

Explain the actual costs to gullible voters and the results would be the same, but the citizens will not hear the truth from Democrats, or whatever they are calling themselves today.
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2018 10:18 am
@revelette1,
Advise is a verb. Advice is the noun.

There are several pie charts depicting FY2018. I see you chose the one you like. It’s largely meaningless.

What’s meaningful is the constant US war stance and how expensive that is. We will reduce our war behavior all around the world, stop meddling in the business of others, and that will reduce our cost exponentially.

In addition, the ******* billionaires and Wall Street assholes will pay their share in taxes, instead of paying Congressional lackeys to protect them from paying.

oralloy
 
  1  
Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2018 10:23 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
What’s meaningful is the constant US war stance and how expensive that is. We will reduce our war behavior all around the world, stop meddling in the business of others, and that will reduce our cost exponentially.
It will reduce our costs because we'll all be dead at the hands of the bad guys as soon as we stop defending ourselves.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2018 06:44 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
We will reduce our war behavior all around the world, stop meddling in the business of others, and that will reduce our cost exponentially.
In addition, the ******* billionaires and Wall Street assholes will pay their share in taxes, instead of paying Congressional lackeys to protect them from paying.


Considering Trump cut taxes for the wealthy, moved our embassy in Israel and taunts NC about nuclear war, I don't see it happening.
 

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