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How The Gun Industry Funnels Tens Of Millions Of Dollars To The NRA

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Sat 31 Mar, 2018 09:03 pm
Wow! Rusty got punked there. Amazing reply.
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Sat 31 Mar, 2018 11:28 pm
@coldjoint,
The surveys he's talking about are the actual [opsotopns of actual NRA members whoin overwhemkong numbers disagree woth pffocoa; NRA positions.
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sat 31 Mar, 2018 11:31 pm
@oralloy,
It does a pisspoor job of defending the civil rights of people who don'tt want to be shot and killed.
Real Music
 
  4  
Sun 1 Apr, 2018 12:23 am
Ted Nugent: Parkland students protesting gun violence are 'soulless'

Quote:
Ted Nugent lashed out on Friday at the high school students who have led protests against gun violence in recent weeks, calling them "soulless" and "ignorant" in a fiery radio interview.

"I really feel sorry for them because it's not only ignorant and dangerously stupid, but it's soulless," Nugent said during an appearance on "The Joe Pags Show." "To attack the good, law-abiding families of America when well-known, predictable murderers commit these horrors is deep in the category of soulless."

"These poor children, I'm afraid to say this and it hurts me to say this, but the evidence is irrefutable, they have no soul," he added.

In the interview, Nugent railed against what he called the "dumbing down of America" by schools and teachers, whom he accused of teaching students "lies."

"The dumbing down of America is manifested in the culture deprivation of our academia that have taught these kids the lies, media that have prodded and encouraged and provided these kids lies," he said.

Nugent, a National Rifle Association board member and outspoken supporter of President Trump, has a history of making inflammatory political statements. But he swore off such language last year after a shooter opened fire on a congressional baseball practice in Virginia.

Nugent's comments came in response to protests by students across the country demanding an end to gun violence.

Those protests have largely been led by students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., where a gunman opened fire last month, killing 17 people and injuring 14 others.

That shooting reignited an intense debate about the nation's firearm laws, as students and anti-gun violence advocates have put pressure on lawmakers to strengthen gun restrictions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ted-nugent-parkland-students-protesting-gun-violence-are-soulless/ar-AAvjnYV?li=BBnbcA1&OCID=ansmsnnews11



Ted Nugent's statements are insensitive and despicable.
farmerman
 
  3  
Sun 1 Apr, 2018 12:38 am
@Real Music,
Noone with an IQ above room temperature listens to anything Ted Nugent has to say. dumass trophy hunting "sportsman".

coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 1 Apr, 2018 12:41 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Noone with an IQ above room temperature

So Maxine Waters is a fan. Cool. Cool
oralloy
 
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Sun 1 Apr, 2018 01:16 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
oralloy wrote:
The NRA defends the civil rights of all Americans.

It does a pisspoor job of defending the civil rights of people who don'tt want to be shot and killed.

That is incorrect. The NRA fights for their right to have an armed defense.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sun 1 Apr, 2018 01:17 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Noone with an IQ above room temperature listens to anything Ted Nugent has to say. dumass trophy hunting "sportsman".

You guys can celebrate New Year's Eve your way, and Michigan will celebrate it our way.
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farmerman
 
  3  
Sun 1 Apr, 2018 01:17 am
@coldjoint,
found a munsell chart of the various shades of pink, which do you believe is you?

   https://graf1x.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/shades-of-pink-color-palette-chart.jpg
Real Music
 
  4  
Sun 1 Apr, 2018 11:24 am
Selling a New Generation on Guns
JAN. 26, 2013


Quote:
Threatened by long-term declining participation in shooting sports, the firearms industry has poured millions of dollars into a broad campaign to ensure its future by getting guns into the hands of more, and younger, children.

The industry’s strategies include giving firearms, ammunition and cash to youth groups; weakening state restrictions on hunting by young children; marketing an affordable military-style rifle for “junior shooters” and sponsoring semiautomatic-handgun competitions for youths; and developing a target-shooting video game that promotes brand-name weapons, with links to the Web sites of their makers.

The pages of Junior Shooters, an industry-supported magazine that seeks to get children involved in the recreational use of firearms, once featured a smiling 15-year-old girl clutching a semiautomatic rifle. At the end of an accompanying article that extolled target shooting with a Bushmaster AR-15 — an advertisement elsewhere in the magazine directed readers to a coupon for buying one — the author encouraged youngsters to share the article with a parent.

“Who knows?” it said. “Maybe you’ll find a Bushmaster AR-15 under your tree some frosty Christmas morning!”

The industry’s youth-marketing effort is backed by extensive social research and is carried out by an array of nonprofit groups financed by the gun industry, an examination by The New York Times found. The campaign picked up steam about five years ago with the completion of a major study that urged a stronger emphasis on the “recruitment and retention” of new hunters and target shooters.

The overall objective was summed up in another study, commissioned last year by the shooting sports industry, that suggested encouraging children experienced in firearms to recruit other young people. The report, which focused on children ages 8 to 17, said these “peer ambassadors” should help introduce wary youngsters to guns slowly, perhaps through paintball, archery or some other less intimidating activity.

“The point should be to get newcomers started shooting something, with the natural next step being a move toward actual firearms,” said the report, which was prepared for the National Shooting Sports Foundation and the Hunting Heritage Trust.

Firearms manufacturers and their two primary surrogates, the National Rifle Association of America and the National Shooting Sports Foundation, have long been associated with high-profile battles to fend off efforts at gun control and to widen access to firearms. The public debate over the mass shootings in Newtown, Conn., and elsewhere has focused largely on the availability of guns, along with mental illness and the influence of violent video games.

Little attention has been paid, though, to the industry’s youth-marketing initiatives. They stir passionate views, with proponents arguing that introducing children to guns can provide a safe and healthy pastime, and critics countering that it fosters a corrosive gun culture and is potentially dangerous.

The N.R.A. has for decades given grants for youth shooting programs, mostly to Boy Scout councils and 4-H groups, which traditionally involved single-shot rimfire rifles, BB guns and archery. Its $21 million in total grants in 2010 was nearly double what it gave out five years earlier.

Newer initiatives by other organizations go further, seeking to introduce children to high-powered rifles and handguns while invoking the same rationale of those older, more traditional programs: that firearms can teach “life skills” like responsibility, ethics and citizenship. And the gun industry points to injury statistics that it says show a greater likelihood of getting hurt cheerleading or playing softball than using firearms for fun and sport.

Still, some experts in child psychiatry say that encouraging youthful exposure to guns, even in a structured setting with an emphasis on safety, is asking for trouble. Dr. Jess P. Shatkin, the director of undergraduate studies in child and adolescent mental health at New York University, said that young people are naturally impulsive and that their brains “are engineered to take risks,” making them ill suited for handling guns.

“There are lots of ways to teach responsibility to a kid,” Dr. Shatkin said. “You don’t need a gun to do it.”

Steve Sanetti, the president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, said it was better to instruct children in the safe use of a firearm through hunting and target shooting, and engage them in positive ways with the heritage of guns in America. His industry is well positioned for the task, he said, but faces an unusual challenge: introducing minors to activities that involve products they cannot legally buy and that require a high level of maturity.

Ultimately, Mr. Sanetti said, it should be left to parents, not the government, to decide if and when to introduce their children to shooting and what sort of firearms to use.

“It’s a very significant decision,” he said, “and it involves the personal responsibility of the parent and personal responsibility of the child.”

Trying to Reverse a Trend

The shooting sports foundation, the tax-exempt trade association for the gun industry, is a driving force behind many of the newest youth initiatives. Its national headquarters is in Newtown, just a few miles from Sandy Hook Elementary School, where Adam Lanza, 20, used his mother’s Bushmaster AR-15 to kill 20 children and 6 adults last month.

The foundation’s $26 million budget is financed mostly by gun companies, associated businesses and the foundation’s SHOT Show, the industry’s annual trade show, according to its latest tax return.

Although shooting sports and gun sales have enjoyed a rebound recently, the long-term demographics are not favorable, as urbanization, the growth of indoor pursuits like video games and changing cultural mores erode consumer interest. Licensed hunters fell from 7 percent of the population in 1975 to fewer than 5 percent in 2005, according to federal data. Galvanized by the declining share, the industry redoubled its efforts to reverse the trend about five years ago.

The focus on young people has been accompanied by foundation-sponsored research examining popular attitudes toward hunting and shooting. Some of the studies used focus groups and telephone surveys of teenagers to explore their feelings about guns and people who use them, and offered strategies for generating a greater acceptance of firearms.

The Times reviewed more than a thousand pages of these studies, obtained from gun industry Web sites and online archives, some of them produced as recently as last year. Most were prepared by consultants retained by the foundation, and at least one was financed with a grant from the United StatesFish and Wildlife Service.

In an interview, Mr. Sanetti said the youth-centered research was driven by the inevitable “tension” the industry faces, given that no one under 18 can buy a rifle or a shotgun from a licensed dealer or even possess a handgun under most circumstances. That means looking for creative and appropriate ways to introduce children to shooting sports.

“There’s nothing alarmist or sinister about it,” Mr. Sanetti said. “It’s realistic.”

Pointing to the need to “start them young,” one study concluded that “stakeholders such as managers and manufacturers should target programs toward youth 12 years old and younger.”

“This is the time that youth are being targeted with competing activities,” it said. “It is important to consider more hunting and target-shooting recruitment programs aimed at middle school level, or earlier.”

Aware that introducing firearms to young children could meet with resistance, several studies suggested methods for smoothing the way for target-shooting programs in schools. One cautioned, “When approaching school systems, it is important to frame the shooting sports only as a mechanism to teach other life skills, rather than an end to itself.”

In another report, the authors warned against using human silhouettes for targets when trying to recruit new shooters and encouraged using words and phrases like “sharing the experience,” “family” and “fun.” They also said children should be enlisted to prod parents to let them join shooting activities: “Such a program could be called ‘Take Me Hunting’ or ‘Take Me Shooting.’ ”

The industry recognized that state laws limiting hunting by children could pose a problem, according to a “Youth Hunting Report” prepared by the shooting sports foundation and two other groups. Declaring that “the need for aggressive recruitment is urgent,” the report said a primary objective should be to “eliminate or reduce age minimums.” Still another study recommended allowing children to get a provisional license to hunt with an adult, “perhaps even before requiring them to take hunter safety courses.”

The effort has succeeded in a number of states, including Wisconsin, which in 2009 lowered the minimum hunting age to 10 from 12, and Michigan, where in 2011 the age minimum for hunting small game was eliminated for children accompanied by an adult mentor. The foundation cited statistics suggesting that youth involvement in hunting, as well as target shooting, had picked up in recent years amid the renewed focus on recruitment.

Gun companies have spent millions of dollars to put their recruitment strategies into action, either directly or through the shooting sports foundation and other organizations. The support takes many forms.

The Scholastic Steel Challenge, started in 2009, introduces children as young as 12 to competitive handgun shooting using steel targets. Its “platinum” sponsors include the shooting sports foundation, Smith & Wesson and Glock, which donated 60 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistols, according to the group’s Web site.

The site features a quote from a gun company executive praising the youth initiative and saying that “anyone in the firearms industry that overlooks its potential is missing the boat.”

Larry Potterfield, the founder of MidwayUSA, one of the nation’s largest sellers of shooting supplies and a major sponsor of the Scholastic Steel Challenge, said he did not fire a handgun until he was 21, adding that they “are the most difficult guns to learn to shoot well.” But, he said, he sees nothing wrong with children using them.

“Kids need arm strength and good patience to learn to shoot a handgun well,” he said in an e-mail, “and I would think that would come in the 12-14 age group for most kids.”

Another organization, the nonprofit Youth Shooting Sports Alliance, which was created in 2007, has received close to $1 million in cash, guns and equipment from the shooting sports foundation and firearms-related companies, including ATK, Winchester and Sturm, Ruger & Company, its tax returns show. In 2011, the alliance awarded 58 grants. A typical grant: 23 rifles, 4 shotguns, 16 cases of ammunition and other materials, which went to a Michigan youth camp.

The foundation and gun companies also support Junior Shooters magazine, which is based in Idaho and was started in 2007. The publication is filled with catchy advertisements and articles about things like zombie targets, pink guns and, under the heading “Kids Gear,” tactical rifle components with military-style features like pistol grips and collapsible stocks.

Gun companies often send new models to the magazine for children to try out with adult supervision. Shortly after Sturm, Ruger announced in 2009 a new, lightweight semiautomatic rifle that had the “look and feel” of an AR-15 but used less expensive .22-caliber cartridges, Junior Shooters received one for review. The magazine had three boys ages 14 to 17 fire it and wrote that they “had an absolute ball!”

Junior Shooters’ editor, Andy Fink, acknowledged in an editorial that some of his magazine’s content stirred controversy.

“I have heard people say, even shooters that participate in some of the shotgun shooting sports, such things as, ‘Why do you need a semiautomatic gun for hunting?’ ” he wrote. But if the industry is to survive, he said, gun enthusiasts must embrace all youth shooting activities, including ones “using semiautomatic firearms with magazines holding 30-100 rounds.”

In an interview, Mr. Fink elaborated. Semiautomatic firearms are actually not weapons, he said, unless someone chooses to hurt another person with them, and their image has been unfairly tainted by the news media. There is no legitimate reason children should not learn to safely use an AR-15 for recreation, he said.

“They’re a tool, not any different than a car or a baseball bat,” Mr. Fink said. “It’s no different than a junior shooting a .22 or a shotgun. The difference is in the perception of the viewer.”

The Weapon of Choice

The AR-15, the civilian version of the military’s M-16 and M-4, has been aggressively marketed as a cool and powerful step up from more traditional target and hunting rifles. But its appearance in mass shootings — in addition to Newtown, the gun was also used last year in the movie theater massacre in Aurora, Colo., and the attack on firefighters in Webster, N.Y. — has prompted calls for tighter restrictions. The AR-15 is among the guns included in a proposed ban on a range of semiautomatic weapons that was introduced in the Senate last week.

Given the gun’s commercial popularity, it is perhaps unsurprising that AR-15-style firearms have worked their way into youth shooting programs. At a “Guns ’n Grillin” weekend last fall, teenagers at a Boy Scout council in Virginia got to shoot AR-15s. They are used in youth competitions held each year at a National Guard camp in Ohio, and in “junior clinics” taught by Army or Marine marksmanship instructors, some of them sponsored by gun companies or organizations they support.

ArmaLite, a successor company to the one that developed the AR-15, is offering a similar rifle, the AR-10, for the grand prize in a raffle benefiting the Illinois State Rifle Association’s “junior high-power” team, which uses AR-15s in its competitions. Bushmaster has offered on its Web site a coupon worth $350 off the price of an AR-15 “to support and encourage junior shooters.”

Military-style firearms are prevalent in a target-shooting video game and mobile app called Point of Impact, which was sponsored by the shooting sports foundation and Guns & Ammo magazine. The game — rated for ages 9 and up in the iTunes store — allows players to shoot brand-name AR-15 rifles and semiautomatic handguns at inanimate targets, and it provides links to gun makers’ Web sites as well as to the foundation’s “First Shots” program, intended to recruit new shooters.

Upon the game’s release in January 2011, foundation executives said in a news release that it was one of the industry’s “most unique marketing tools directed at a younger audience.” Mr. Sanetti of the shooting sports foundation said sponsorship of the game was an experiment intended to deliver safety tips to players, while potentially generating interest in real-life sports.

The confluence of high-powered weaponry and youth shooting programs does not sit well even with some proponents of those programs. Stephan Carlson, a University of Minnesota environmental science professor whose research on the positive effects of learning hunting and outdoor skills in 4-H classes has been cited by the gun industry, said he “wouldn’t necessarily go along” with introducing children to more powerful firearms that added nothing useful to their experience.

“I see why the industry would be pushing it, but I don’t see the value in it,” Mr. Carlson said. “I guess it goes back to the skill base we’re trying to instill in the kids. What are we preparing them for?”

For Mr. Potterfield of MidwayUSA, who said his own children started shooting “boys’ rifles” at age 4, getting young people engaged with firearms — provided they have the maturity and the physical ability to handle them — strengthens an endangered American tradition.

Mr. Potterfield and his wife, Brenda, have donated more than $5 million for youth shooting programs in recent years, a campaign that he said was motivated by philanthropy, not “return on investment.”

“Our gifting is pure benevolence,” he said. “We grew up and live in rural America and have owned guns, hunted and fished all of our lives. This is our community, and we hope to preserve it for future generations.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/us/selling-a-new-generation-on-guns.html
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 1 Apr, 2018 11:29 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
found a munsell chart of the various shades of pink, which do you believe is you?


You can decide, it does not matter as much to me as it seems to matter to you. Remember, color means nothing to progressives, or so they say.
hightor
 
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Sun 1 Apr, 2018 11:59 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Remember, color means nothing to progressives, or so they say.

Wait a second there — you never heard a progressive claiming that black lives matter?

(Technically, of course, "black" is not a color. But, technically, dark-skinned human beings aren't really black either.)
coldjoint
 
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Sun 1 Apr, 2018 12:07 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Wait a second there — you never heard a progressive claiming that black lives matter?


Of course I have, but saying it means nothing when it is only to get votes.
farmerman
 
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Sun 1 Apr, 2018 04:38 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
it means nothing when it is only to get votes.
Of which your Plumpness is theee master.
"Im gonna bring back coal mining". "were gonna build a huge wall and the Mexicans are gonna pay for it"

**** like that?
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sun 1 Apr, 2018 05:26 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
**** like that?


I will bow to the expert.
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 1 Apr, 2018 05:47 pm
https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Map-US-Murder-Fixed.jpg
Quote:
Murders in US very concentrated: 54% of US counties in 2014 had zero murders, 2% of counties have 51% of the murders

I wonder how many of those red areas would be blue on a map of the last presidential election. The vast majority of murders are in urban areas, Democratic voting blocks. What does that tell you?

It tells me Democrats think everyone who votes for them should not have guns and looking at where the murders are you can't blame them. Laughing Laughing Laughing
farmerman
 
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Mon 2 Apr, 2018 06:02 am
@coldjoint,
Dr Obvious tries to make another of his weakly points.

coldjoint
 
  -2  
Mon 2 Apr, 2018 11:14 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Dr Obvious tries to make another of his weakly points.


So you are admitting the murders happen in urban areas and that it is obvious. Thanks for helping me make my point.

But while I am here do you notice the red at our borders? Of course illegals have nothing to do with that, right?
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 2 Apr, 2018 11:50 am
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/582c7d38ba6eb619268b458d-960-625.png
^^^^^^
2016 election

Compare the blue areas to murder areas on the map below. Many of the blue areas have very strict gun laws. It is not a gun problem, it is a crime problem. We have already figured out criminals will get guns and the vast, vast majority are obtained illegally.
https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Map-US-Murder-Fixed.jpg
http://www.businessinsider.com/2016-election-results-maps-population-adjusted-cartogram-2016-11#populations-alone-dont-win-presidential-elections-electoral-votes-do-this-map-sizes-states-based-on-the-number-of-electoral-votes-its-similar-to-the-population-weighted-map-but-some-smaller-states-like-wyoming-and-vermont-are-somewhat-bigger-while-more-populous-states-like-california-and-texas-are-a-bit-smaller-3
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McGentrix
 
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Mon 2 Apr, 2018 01:39 pm
@farmerman,
Good thing he isn't a black man, would hate to see you ask what shade of brown he was.
 

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