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Why I left the Democratic Party

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2018 02:19 pm
@izzythepush,
False equivalence. I worship facts, and do regularly admit to my mistakes.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2018 02:20 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

You do that again and I'll put you back on ignore too.

Sure thing...
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2018 02:37 pm
@nimh,
nimh wrote:
Might have been interesting, then, for a Labour Party member like Izzy to see those quotes I posted above from Neil Kinnock, Denis Healey, Michael Foot, and Nye Bevan, praising "democratic socialism". Or the video of Olof Palme saying "I am a democratic socialist". Or the quote of Jean-Luc Melenchon declaring "we are democratic socialism". Or the mention of the German Party for Democratic Socialism. Easy to throw in more: [...]

But you see Nimh, we all see what we want to see. The Push sees you not because he does not want to see you. Now that I have copied you twice, he will not see me either. But that doesn't matter, because even when I copy your arguments, he doesn't read them. And even when he responds to my posts, he doesn't read them either, most of the times.

Look at it this way: it's not your cross to bear. People listen to whoever they want, and they see whoever they want to see. It's the Push's loss in the end: he cannot access valid data, and hence keeps himself misinformed.

Even the worst among us have taught me a thing or two... They have certain areas of expertise, sometime a flick of brilliance even. E.g. Oral is a good example of that: generally despicable, but occasionally useful if not perspicacious.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2018 03:18 pm
@Olivier5,
The only thing you worship is yourself. I remember a very long pointless argument where you claimed that most of the English vocabulary and grammar came from French. That was totally bogus, it's from Anglo Saxon and Norse. You were wrong then and you refused to face facts. Similarly with your portrayal of Charlie Hebdo.

And now you're trying to get me to talk to Nimh. I'm not doing that. You're back on ignore. You've never been remotely interested in facts just cheap point scoring. I'm not interested in having any more tedious circular arguments with you. So do whatever you want, but leave me out of it.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2018 03:53 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
you claimed that most of the English vocabulary and grammar came from French.

I never said that. Anyone with the scantest notions of both languages can tell the grammars are totally different.

No, I said that "half the English words are from French", which happens to be a very close educated guess. The real prevalence rate is closer to 40%. To be precise, 41% of the 10,000 most frequent English words are of French origin.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2018 04:00 pm
@izzythepush,
The possibility of getting around the ignore function by other people quoting the ignored is one of the things I find most annoying here. On occasion, I've done the same thing you're doing.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2018 04:10 pm
I don't like to be told what to do anymore than the Push or anybody else like to be told what to do.

So I shall continue to quote whom I want to quote, and you, my avid but easily impressed readers, you would be well advised to keep averting your prudish eyes, least by mistake you read something shockingly true in my posts.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2018 04:44 pm
@ehBeth,
Thank you. I don't know why some people can't just walk away. It's like being forced to fight other kids when you're at school because they've been slagging you off even though you've only got the agent provocateurs word for it.

I'm too old for this bollocks. My dad's in hospital right now, I've got serious stuff to deal with.
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camlok
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2018 06:54 pm
@izzythepush,
Izzy, why don't you just cowboy up and admit you were fantastically, stunningly wrong?
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camlok
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2018 06:58 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
I worship facts, and do regularly admit to my mistakes.


Now you've gone and izzified yourself, Olivier. You are at least as good as izzy at denying reality, denying facts, denying science.

I am regularly shocked at how so many supposedly sentient adults can ignore stark realities, ignore the science they obviously didn't learn in school, and accept the totally nutty and unrealistic fantasy that is the US government 9/11 fable.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 01:42 am
Now that the wind of their own flatulence has carried away the non-readers-of-facts, maybe we can close the "democratic socialist" parenthesis and come back to the Democratic Party. They are not socialist yet, as we all know, but still they keep winning...

Quote:
February 20, 2018 - 07:46 PM EST
Dem wins Kentucky state House seat in district Trump won by 49 points
BY BRANDON CARTER AND REID WILSON

Kentucky Democrats on Tuesday reclaimed a rural district in the state House of Representatives that went heavily for President Trump in 2016.

Linda Belcher (D), a former state legislator who lost her seat in the Trump landslide in Kentucky, reclaimed the Bullitt County district by a more than two-to-one margin, defeating her GOP opponent Rebecca Johnson 68 percent to 32 percent.

The Democrat had lost her seat in 2016 by just 150 votes, or less than 1 percentage point, even as Trump carried the district with 72 percent of the vote there compared to Hillary Clinton's 23 percent. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) also won the district in 2016 with 64 percent of the vote.

Tuesday's special election in the state's House District 49 was held to replace former state Rep. Dan Johnson (R), who killed himself in December. Johnson, a pastor at a local church, had been accused of sexual abuse against a member of his congregation. He strongly denied the accusations, though he killed himself just days after local media reported the allegations.

Johnson's widow, Rebecca Johnson, said she would run to replace her husband less than 24 hours after his death.


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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 06:25 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
But you see Nimh, we all see what we want to see. [...] People listen to whoever they want, and they see whoever they want to see. [...]

Even the worst among us have taught me a thing or two... They have certain areas of expertise, sometime a flick of brilliance even. E.g. Oral is a good example of that: generally despicable, but occasionally useful if not perspicacious.

Agreed on both counts: that it's always useful to keep hearing those you disagree with fiercely, or even don't respect at all; and that it's nevertheless just human nature that people generally don't...
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 07:10 am
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 07:45 am
@nimh,
To each his or her own intellectual horizon. Some people's horizon is limited to their little thought parish, which they confuse with the world, and they are shocked to meet with people who dare to come from a different angle, who hold different opinions, to the point of actively blocking out such 'foreign' opinions.

I don't care, as long as they don't try and tell me what I should post, or whom I can quote or not... I don't take orders from cowards.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 07:59 am
@Olivier5,
Don’t I know it.
camlok
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 08:04 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
To each his or her own intellectual horizon. Some people's horizon is limited to their little thought parish, which they confuse with the world, and they are shocked to meet with people who dare to come from a different angle, who hold different opinions, to the point of actively blocking out such 'foreign' opinions.


This is you, Olivier, self describing Olivier and a lot of other equally blind people on the hard science and the facts of 9/11.

The folks of your little thought parish [nice phrase] deny stark reality, you all deny hard science, evidence that illustrates that there were no Arab hijackers.

You all do this in the same fashion as those of your description, little religious nuts who desperately cling to their beliefs with absolutely no evidence to back them up.

There is no evidence for the USGOCT. Just try to provide some and you will see there is none.

But there is voluminous evidence against the USGOCT, evidence which shows it to be a total impossibility.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 08:33 am
@Lash,
No, you don't. You're just as narrow-minded as any Trump supporter.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 08:38 am
@Olivier5,
Completely baseless accusation.

I have widely ranging opinions that cross so-called ideologies.

The fact that I’ve been receptive to varying perspectives is how my opinions have changed.

Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 08:41 am
@Lash,
I'm sure you can convince yourself of that, and perhaps a dunce or two out there. Don't waste your time on me.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 08:46 am
@Olivier5,
I’m sorry if I upset you with my ‘foreign’ opinion.

Hurry back to your safe thought parish.

Raging hypocrite.
 

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