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Why I left the Democratic Party

 
 
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2018 04:40 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

So you are not willing to expand on what you mean? Vague and meaningless pronouncements on "unregulated capitalism"?


Edgar can’t be expected to expand on his thoughts. We are too child-like for him to waste his time. He wants the world to change based on his wants, hopes, and dreams and is unwilling to talk to anyone to try to change minds.

He may find a long article to post for you though. It won’t satisfy your questions but it will make him feel like what he’s doing is effective.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2018 04:45 pm
I put links and articles on here month after month and you guys either are incapable of reading them or don't grasp the meaning. In either case you are dragging us down into chaos and or oligarchy.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2018 05:41 pm
@edgarblythe,
I read them, grasp the meaning, and now and then even provide a polite and respectful rebuttals of claims that I think are wrong.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2018 06:53 pm
@edgarblythe,
And you're doing SOOOOO much to pull us out, aren't you?

You'd have a better chance at convincing someone by engaging in a dialogue, you must know that right?
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camlok
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2018 07:46 pm
@Baldimo,
So you are going to ignore evidence that doesn't match your preconceived notions?

That's like NIST when they were asked by a reporter if they had tested for explosives at WTC.

ABEL: ... what about that letter where NIST said it didn’t look for evidence of explosives?

NEWMAN: Right, because there was no evidence of that.

ABEL: But how can you know there’s no evidence if you don’t look for it first?

NEWMAN: If you’re looking for something that isn’t there, you’re wasting your time....

--Conversation between a reporter and a NIST

Ah no Newman! He is reputed to be a scientist. Maybe he is just a Rove clone.
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camlok
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2018 07:48 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
and is unwilling to talk to anyone to try to change minds.


This finger pointing hypocrisy is all over, maporsche.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2018 09:06 pm
revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 10 Feb, 2018 10:06 am
@edgarblythe,
I was disappointed democrats from both the senate and the house dropped immigration in the budget deal. However, two things compensate, the things we did get in return and the fact that I am almost positive before time runs out, it may be the last second, something will be done for the dreamers. It is too much of a losing issue not to do something for both republicans and democrats.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 10 Feb, 2018 10:11 am
@revelette1,
I sort of agree with you, but can't get away from the fact that so many crazy people are in charge.
revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 10 Feb, 2018 10:18 am
@edgarblythe,
I know what you mean, when you think to yourself, "surely they won't go there", they do. In this case, I mean it is possible they will do nothing for the dreamers before time runs out and by they I am including democrats too. If that happens, and I rationalize the democrats side of it, you have my permission to call me a neoliberal or some such thing.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 10 Feb, 2018 10:35 am
@revelette1,
I consider that you are more reasonable than I did in the past.
camlok
 
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Reply Sat 10 Feb, 2018 11:58 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
I was disappointed democrats from both the senate and the house dropped immigration in the budget deal. However, two things compensate, the things we did get in return and the fact that I am almost positive before time runs out, it may be the last second, something will be done for the dreamers. It is too much of a losing issue not to do something for both republicans and democrats.


So much for "government of the people, by the ... ", right, Rev, Edgar?
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revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 10 Feb, 2018 12:01 pm
@edgarblythe,
Thanks. I've been making an effort. I am half way afraid, the immigration issue is going to go by the wayside.

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 10 Feb, 2018 12:11 pm
I feel the Democrats are getting a pass on the military situation. Too many are assisting Trump money wise and not enough sounding an alarm. He has us pretty darn close to two more wars.
camlok
 
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Reply Sat 10 Feb, 2018 12:16 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
We are too child-like for him to waste his time.


It is very child like to ignore hard truths, maporsche, hard science, hard evidence, when it causes such cognitive dissonance. That's why voting is withheld until age 18.

I expect that all these science deniers are beyond that age.

Impossible means something cannot be true, real, actual. Molten/vaporized WTC steel is a reality, from both WTC 7 and the twin towers. That is impossible according to the USG official story, yet it exists. There is the Meteorite sitting in some 911 museum, a fused element of iron, steel and concrete described by a US reporter as "exposed to temperatures as hot as the inner Earth".

That is 6,000C/10,800F!

The only fuels that alleged hijackers had were jet fuel/office furnishings.

"The temperature of the fire at the WTC was not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel.
...
However, it is highly unlikely that the steel at the WTC experienced temperatures above the 750–800°C range." [max 1,472F]
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WWAnCd_6lg

What is it that makes adults avoid stark realities? I wish I knew.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 10 Feb, 2018 12:47 pm
@edgarblythe,
I agree with you there. There is no reason to keep so many troops stationed in Afghanistan and Iraq, the reasons put forth for staying will be reasons which can be used forever. I could see escalating it with IS, but now the areas most affected are mostly taking care of it themselves and we should let them.

I do disagree with Syria though. I think we should support the opposition against Assad and so I agree with the latest military actions taken there.

It's been a few years since I looked at that pie which shows how much goes into the military, but I don't understand why congress including democrats gave Trump even more than he asked for. We should scale back all over the globe (where our troops are stationed and involved) which would allow us to safely scale back on spending on the military and use more of our military money for veterans who need it bad.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 10 Feb, 2018 12:51 pm
One of my gravest concerns is what appears to be a plan to make nuclear weapons conventional in our wars in the immediate future.
camlok
 
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Reply Sat 10 Feb, 2018 01:04 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
One of my gravest concerns is what appears to be a plan to make nuclear weapons conventional in our wars in the immediate future.


Your gravest concern, Edgar, should simply be "your "wars"".

Don't you think that it is a tad excessive for a kind, benevolent country to be at war for 93% of its years in existence?
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 11 Feb, 2018 07:25 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
I feel the Democrats are getting a pass on the military situation. Too many are assisting Trump money wise and not enough sounding an alarm. He has us pretty darn close to two more wars.

It's hardly Trump's fault when the bad guys start wars with us.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 11 Feb, 2018 07:28 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
I agree with you there. There is no reason to keep so many troops stationed in Afghanistan and Iraq,

We have hardly any troops stationed in Afghanistan and Iraq.


revelette1 wrote:
the reasons put forth for staying will be reasons which can be used forever.

Forever is just fine.


revelette1 wrote:
now the areas most affected are mostly taking care of it themselves and we should let them.

That's exactly what we are doing.


revelette1 wrote:
It's been a few years since I looked at that pie which shows how much goes into the military, but I don't understand why congress including democrats gave Trump even more than he asked for.

Because they want America to be safe from the bad guys.


revelette1 wrote:
We should scale back all over the globe (where our troops are stationed and involved) which would allow us to safely scale back on spending on the military and use more of our military money for veterans who need it bad.

No. We should continue to defend ourselves from the bad guys.
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