Why I left the Democratic Party

@revelette1,

Tribalism

You are like a Yankee fan declaring how happy she is that "we" got Stanton.

@oralloy,

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Fox is being downrated for presenting facts that liberals dislike hearing about.

Actually I think their penchant for ignoring stories that conservatives don't want to hear about might be more like it.

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@hightor,

Actually, that's not true at all.

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I looked at the last chart. I read Al Jazeera almost every day. If it's there I overlooked it.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

I looked at the last chart. I read Al Jazeera almost every day. If it's there I overlooked it.

It's there, at the bottom center of the fact reporters, between Washington Post and Time Magazine.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

Actually I think their penchant for ignoring stories that conservatives don't want to hear about might be more like it.

They are ranked lower than they would be for merely doing that however. The chart accuses them of factual inaccuracy.

And although they might ignore stories that conservatives would have no interest in paying attention to, I doubt they ignore stories that conservatives would regard as unpleasant news.

I still remember hearing an analysis about a case where the US was falsely accused of some sort of atrocity (I forget what it was). Upon hearing of the accusation, I immediately assessed that it was almost certainly untrue. According to the analysis, Fox reported the accusation but cast great skepticism on whether it was true. The rest of the media reported it as if it were absolutely true.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Actually, that's not true at all.

Like any other "for profit" outlet, Fox probably picks up on a lot of "human interest" stories that libs would have no interest whatsoever in reading about.

For example, virtually every day they run a true story about some woman (usually a teacher, or some other woman in a position of authority) who has been convicted of molesting teenage boys.

But when it comes to stories of national interest they will report the known (or alleged) facts. Of course half the time the real story is that such unfounded allegations have even been made, but the fake news outlets can only blame themselves for that.

And they do have programming (Hannity, for example) which is, listeners are told, strictly opinionated commentary. But their reporters don't often distort, ignore, or misrepresent the relevant facts.

And they will almost always have at least one lefty on the panel of "experts" participating in a discussion. Often that is the only "expert" they are interviewing.

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@oralloy,

Yeah, that's about what I was just trying to say, too.

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@hightor,

One of, if not the, biggest flaws with the fake news networks is that they don't report what Trump (or any other non-lefty) actually says. Perhaps they do accurately quote them on occasion, but even then, just briefly, and the "news" is not what they said. It is what their "reporters" claim (without basis) it ACTUALLY MEANS that becomes the "news."

From that point on, their own subjective and unfounded interpretation becomes the FACT, which they reiterate 24/7, in a manner which suggests that it was it what was ACTUALLY said.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

It isn't like we are born into a tribe so we support the tribe of "democrats" no matter what. We join parties because that is (for the most part) how get people who are for the issue we are for in the hopes (ideally) they will vote for the issues we want passed in congress and the WH and our local and state governments. I want entitlement programs so I want more people who are democrats or leftist who want the same so that there is better chance the country will adopt the things I want. I also want fairer labor laws so I am not going to vote for a conservative who thinks the "free market" fixes everything on it's own without government help. Call it tribalism if you want, it little matters; the issues matters. "We" democrats have got to learn the stand firm for something instead always caving in to republicans with a barely a whimper in protest. If they don't they are going to lose members to the farther left such as the Young Turks and Sanders. Even if "we" lose, we can use it in the fight for elections for everything from local government to the WH.

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@revelette1,

I have to compliment you, Rev. Today you seem to be much more articulate, forthright, and dispassionate, and also therefore more rational, than you usually appear to be.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

Actually I think their penchant for ignoring stories that conservatives don't want to hear about might be more like it.

it's much more specific than that

there are some very interesting articles (from the green box group) about one very specific viewer Fox targets their pieces to

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

hightor wrote:
Actually I think their penchant for ignoring stories that conservatives don't want to hear about might be more like it.

it's much more specific than that

there are some very interesting articles (from the green box group) about one very specific viewer Fox targets their pieces to

I take your oblique reference to be to Trump. Liberals just can't stand the fact that anyone who actually supports our President is given a voice, eh? Fox news should be outlawed, if you ask them. They have this despicable tendency to actually report on the positive things Trump has accomplished.

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@oralloy,

Intercept is to the left of The Nation.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

Always check the sources of 'news'.

After your through investigation, what have you found out about the female blogger named "Vanessa," who seems to be the sole creator of this "chart," eh?

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@hightor,

http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com/the-chart-version-3-0-what-exactly-are-we-reading/

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@layman,

layman wrote:

After your through investigation, what have you found out about the female blogger named "Vanessa," who seems to be the sole creator of this "chart," eh?

My invesigation aint been nuthin, but I have found out that she voluntarily reveals this much about herself:

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I’m not a journalist by training, and I don’t claim to be one. So why should you listen to me about the quality of news sources? You shouldn’t. In fact, you shouldn’t listen to anyone who tells you that you should think or believe a certain thing a certain way.

But you’ve come to my site to find out what I have to say about the news anyway, so I’ll lay out a few reasons why you could choose to value my assessments....

I’m aware that there are others who are working on these and related issues, and I am aware that there is much that I do not know. The most extraordinary thing this project has done for me personally is connect me to the people who have done good work in this field, and to others who haven’t, but who have really good ideas.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

Intercept is to the left of The Nation.

So it is. I confess I've never even heard of The Intercept.

It seems that the chart values the wire services as the best source of pure facts.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

It seems that the chart values the wire services as the best source of pure facts.

As it probably should. They tend to simply report facts, unaccompanied by commentary, subjective characterizations, prejudicial adjectives, and the like, eh? They may occasionally get fooled into reporting "facts" which are really just products of the propaganda of foreign states, but they seem to be pretty careful to avoid that.

I'm talking about AP and Reuters, which I assume you are too.

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@oralloy,

It depends what you're looking for. Sometimes you want raw facts - so you work off the top of the chart. Sometimes you're curious about opinions.

Based on a comparison of that chart (there are obviously lots of variants around) and my reading habits it appears that I use the top-centre for information, read the centre right for opinions first, and then read centre left for analysis.

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