Why I left the Democratic Party

@Finn dAbuzz,

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We have 1,2,3,4,6,8,9,10 and 12.

I think, unfortunately, that #5 is inevitable, and as long as we have an excess of labor influence we won't achieve #7, at least not in inner cities.

I agree with you on #11 but that includes agricultural subsidies. You too?

I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of the republican party. I have nothing against you personally. I just disagree with your assessment. The previous examples I provided was a broad general outline. For more clarification I will attempt to be more specific. These specifics are not lined up by the numbers of previous list of examples:

1. Republicans have constantly been trying to privatize social security
2. Republicans have constantly been trying to increase funding for private schools and chartered schools, while giving up and neglecting the public schools.
3. Republicans have constantly been trying to cut spending for the reduce school lunch and the free school lunch programs.
4. Republicans have constantly been trying to weaken the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
5. Republicans have constantly been trying to weaken the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA)
6. Republicans have constantly been trying to roll back voters rights
7. Republicans have constantly been trying weaken or abolish Pell grants.
8. Republicans have constantly been trying to weaken the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB)
9. Republicans have constantly been trying to weaken the Section 8 Rent program.
10. Republicans have constantly been trying to weaken the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
11. Republicans have constantly been trying to weaken the Federal Trade Commission.
12. Republicans have constantly been trying to weaken SNAP or the food stamp program.
13. Republicans have constantly been trying to weaken the Women, Infant, and Children program (WIC)
14. Republican s have constantly been trying to weaken the Children Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
15. Republicans have constantly been trying to weaken or abolish the Meals on Wheels program
16. Republicans have constantly been trying to give huge government subsidies to super wealthy corporations.
17. Republicans have constantly been resisting any type of tax increases on the wealthy.
18. Republicans have constantly been trying to give huge tax cuts to the super wealthy.

By the way, if the republicans were not to get their way on number 16, 17, and 18, we would have more funding to pay for all of things they are trying to weaken.

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Howard Dean's rejection of liberals the other day is another sign the party no longer wants our input.

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@edgarblythe,

I missed that Edgar, thank you. I love Howard Dean (I met him once).

Howard Dean wrote:

There has always been a section of the left, which I call the whiny party — the party that doesn’t really wanna win, they just wanna be pure, and if they go down swinging purely, then that’s fine ...

"Well, the problem with that is it leaves behind the people who really need their help. If we’re gonna have a single-payer or Medicare for all or whatever, we’re gonna have healthcare that covers every American, as every other industrialized country has, then we all have to pull together.

The "whiny party".... Howard Dean is right on target.

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@maxdancona,

He's spot on. We've got 2-3 examples here on the left and probably 3-4 examples on the right.

Wing nuts of both parties are delusional.

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@edgarblythe,

It's hilarious to watch the corporate sell outs in what used to be the Democrats and their media cronies contort to find new names to call liberals, while Bernie Sanders and his supporters work to find solutions to the people's problems.

That is the contrast of the substance between them and us.

You know, they're trying 'alt left' now.

Nothing they say will change their reality. They've relied so heavily on names, lying, stories, promises, rhetoric--words. They can't fool those who know them so well.

They will keep talking.

And losing.

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@Lash,

Bernie Sanders is not part of the whiny party. He is working constructively with the Democrats and even helping getting Democrats elected.

Bernie worked very hard to win votes for Hillary. This is an example of where you can be liberal without being completely detached from reality.

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@maxdancona,

He's fighting for the people. The Democrat establishment is fighting against him.

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@edgarblythe,

Are you back in again Ed?
....or ya still complaining?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

maxdancona wrote:

Seven more years of Trump. Thanks Edgar.

Do you actually think that Jill Stein voters led to Trump's win?

Mathematically? Possibly.

If Jill Stein were not in the race AND her voters in 3 key states voted for Clinton (the next closest to her ideologically), Clinton would have won the presidency.

I don't blame Jill Stein.

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@Lash,

Here we go....the GMO conspiracy.

Is the vaccine conspiracy next?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Somewhere on A2K there is a thread in which GMOs are discussed and in which I posted numerous links to scientific studies and opinions on the safety of GMOs. None of them, of course, were from foodbabe.com, so they probably won't satisfy Monsanto Haters.

foodbabe.com ....... holy **** I'm laughing so hard right now.

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@Lash,

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He's fighting for the people. The Democrat establishment is fighting against him.

Bernie fought for people... by getting out and campaigning for Hillary Clinton. He was very clear... he urged his supporters in the primary to vote for Clinton in the general election.

Bernie is not part of the whiny party. This is why Bernie is having an impact on Democratic politics, and has a national voice. And, this is why Jill Stein doesn't.

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@Lash,

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Mainstream media must have cashed their paychecks, but not French scientists--or their lab rats.

http://www.herbogeminis.com/IMG/pdf/reuters_monsanto.pdf

I have to cop to the facts.
I understand you don't like facts.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

Lash wrote:

Mainstream media must have cashed their paychecks, but not French scientists--or their lab rats.

http://www.herbogeminis.com/IMG/pdf/reuters_monsanto.pdf

I have to cop to the facts.
I understand you don't like facts.

From your link:

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"This strain of rat is very prone to mammary tumors particularly when food intake is not restricted," he said. "The statistical methods are unconventional ... and it would appear the authors have gone on a statistical fishing trip."

Mark Tester, a research professor at the Australian Centre for Plant Functional Genomics at the University of Adelaide, said the study's findings raised the question of why no previous studies have flagged up similar concerns. "If the effects are as big as purported, and if the work really is relevant to humans, why aren't the North Americans dropping like flies? GM has been in the food chain for over a decade over there - and longevity continues to increase inexorably," he said in an emailed comment.

David Spiegelhalter of the University of Cambridge said the methods, statistics and reporting of results were all below standard. He added that the study's untreated control arm comprised only 10 rats of each sex, most of which also got tumors.

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

Are you back in again Ed?
....or ya still complaining?

Complaining.

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@maporsche,

Yay! Awesome.

You believe those people , and you and your family eat that good Monsanto food up!!

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@Real Music,

Respectfully as well, do you believe I am the personification of the Republican Party? If not, how did you arrive at the conclusion that my post was an assessment of the GOP? I was writing on my views of your list.

As for your new list, I'm not going to go through it point by point, but what I will say in general is that what you see as "strong," others see as "too strong" in the sense that they are fiscally unsustainable, overly burdensome on business and thus the economy in general, and impinge on individuals' freedom. Clearly you don't agree, but just as clearly a great many Americans do. Now if you view this as one side (the left) being entirely virtuous and the other (the right) being entirely selfish and vile, there's not much else to discuss.

BTW - Some in the GOP have been trying to get rid of a block grant slush fund that enables politicians of both parties to endorse a means to waste money on pork while touting they support Meals on Wheels. It's the sort of cynical crap they all do everyday in DC.

If you wish to believe the Democrat Party is the Army of Goodness and the GOP is the Evil Hoard, there's nothing I can argue that will change your mind.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

Yay! Awesome.

You believe those people , and you and your family eat that good Monsanto food up!!

I sure will Lash. I'll vaccinate my children too and teach them that the world is round.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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If you wish to believe the Democrat Party is the Army of Goodness and the GOP is the Evil Hoard, there's nothing I can argue that will change your mind.

I believe this, though I don't see how it is relevant to the discussion.

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I didn't realize establishment democrats had been tasked to support Monsanto.

Hella more corporate than I thought.

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