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Why I left the Democratic Party

 
 
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2018 07:24 am
@edgarblythe,
OMG can you turn up the dramatics a little more.

It has NOT gotten worse since 1968. Just no.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2018 08:28 am
I kinda get what Edgar is saying even though I don't agree with him and with some of the following. I don't think the "tent" has room in it for racists views, whether Muslim or another minority. I do think there needs to more focus on economic issues. However, I don't think there should be a class for children in the fourth grade to learn how to handle guns safely. If so, then children in the fourth grade also need to learn about safe sex and the harmful effects of drugs.


Heartland Democrats to Washington: ‘You’re Killing Us (Politico)

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The facts are harsh. “The number of Democrats holding office across the nation is at its lowest point since the 1920s and the decline has been especially severe in rural America,” Bustos writes in the report. In 2009, the report notes, Democrats held 57 percent of the Heartland’s seats in the U.S. House of Representatives. Now: 39 percent. In 2008, Barack Obama won seven of the eight Heartland States. In 2012, he won six. In 2016? Trump won six. There are 737 counties in the Midwest—Trump won all but 63 of them. “We can’t keep bombing in the rural parts of these states,” Bustos told me. And with arguably some of the most critical midterms in American history less than 10 months away, the 2020 presidential election already looming and redistricting control on the line, Democrats need to find a fix fast, said Robin Johnson, a Bustos adviser and consultant who teaches political science at Monmouth College in Illinois, and conducted the interviews for the report last summer. “If we don’t get this right in the next two cycles,” he told me, “we’re done”—rendered mostly powerless in Congress and in Heartland state houses. He called the report “a cold reality check.”

From the Appalachian regions of Ohio to the Iron Range of Minnesota and the northern reaches of Michigan and Wisconsin, across Iowa and Missouri and through the southern swaths of Indiana and Illinois—areas in which Bill Clinton triumphed and Hillary Clinton tanked—the quotes from the 72 rural Democrats Johnson interviewed read like a pent-up primal scream. And Terry Goodin’s comments pop out in particular. In the report, he says the Democratic Party is “lazy,” “out of touch with mainstream America,” relying on “too much identity politics” where “winners and losers are picked by their labels.” The Democrats in his district, he laments, “feel abandoned.”



It seems to me in this effort to keep the heartland and rural states, they are asking us to abandon ethical beliefs.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2018 08:33 am
Most interesting reading in a while.

https://disobedientmedia.com/2018/01/a-year-in-review-democracy-betrayed-by-democrats-not-russia/
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2018 08:46 am
How Nancy Pelosi helped NSA continue to spy on you.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/25/how-nancy-pelosi-saved-the-nsa-surveillance-program/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Democrats should know.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2018 10:17 am
Now, lash. Didn't this all happen in the 19TH Century? The Democrats back then were primitive. Today they are civilized.
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2018 10:28 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Now, lash. Didn't this all happen in the 19TH Century? The Democrats back then were primitive. Today they are civilized.


The 19th Century? Lol.

1801-1900?
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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2018 12:46 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
Democrats should know.


They should probably know this as well:

Quote:
Update: Following the article’s publication, Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill e-mailed The Cable with the following message. "Leader Pelosi made clear that a vote against the amendment was not a vote for the surveillance activities in question and there were other more appropriate legislative vehicles to seek the changes many Democrats are seeking to make, like the bills introduced by Congressmen Conyers and Schiff."
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2018 01:22 pm
@hightor,
Isn't that like shaking your head yes while in actuality voting no?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 12:57 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
they are asking us to abandon ethical beliefs

Like what???
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 01:02 am
@edgarblythe,
Fine. If you want to think that MLK, one of the greatest if not the greatest American ever to live, would have sulked in his corner when faced with President Trump, who am I to tell you otherwise?

He didn't stay in his corner sulking when he was alive, though. He got **** done. He reached out. He built aliences. But maybe that's because he loved people, instead of hating them. Misanthropy is killing you.
Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 03:09 am
I wish that the democratic party were to recruit Rev. Dr. William Barber to run for president in 2020. I believe he would be an excellent choice for 2020. He is a true champion of progressive and liberal causes. He doesn't just talk a good game. His biography and accomplishments speaks for themselves. He's the real deal.

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By the grace of God, Rev. Dr. Barber, along with local, state, and national NAACP leaders, has helped to lead the fight for voter rights, just redistricting, health care reform, labor and worker rights, protection of immigration rights, and reparation for women survivors of Eugenics, release of the Wilmington Ten and educational equality. Rev. Dr. Barber has been arrested three times for civil disobedience as he stood for educational, economic and equal justice.
Some of Rev. Dr. William Barber’s other accolades and accomplishments are:

The NC NAACP is the largest state conference in the south-second largest in nation.
•Rev. Dr. Barber is standing with Georgia’s NAACP State President to secure the release of Mr. John McNeil. A man, husband and father who was wrongfully convicted of murder and sentence to life in prison.
•Rev. Dr. Barber has help lead the North Carolina NAACP in filing Title VI filing against the Wayne and Wake County School Broads in the fight against re-segregation and inequality.
•Rev. Dr. Barber fought and helped to secure over millions of new dollars for low wealth and disadvantaged students.
•Rev. Dr. Barber has helped lead Historic Thousands On Jones Street: Peoples Assembly a coalition of over 104 progressive organizations with over 2 million memberships to champion a 14 point anti-racism, anti-poverty, anti-war agenda.
•Rev. Dr. Barber has helped secure the freedom of innocent African American men from Death Row and the passage of the Racial Justice Act.
•Rev. Dr. Barber helped win Same Day Registration Early Voting in NC- the only state in the south.
•Rev. Dr. Barber organized the Millions Voter March 2009 and helped more than 1.2 million black/brown voters go to polls.
•For over 19 years, he has been God’s servant as Pastor of Greenleaf Christian Church DOC (1993), Goldsboro, NC. The man of God has allowed God to use him as a vessel in saving souls, transforming lives and allowed him to birth or strengthen ministries to bring glory to God.

Rev. Dr. Barber leads as Chairperson of Rebuilding Broken Places Community Development Corporation (RBPCDC), a non-profit community development initiative born out of a vision from God to build affordable single family houses, senior citizen housing, provide job training, affordable child care, after school tutoring for disadvantage middle school students and to bring inner city revitalization in Goldsboro. Through this effort Rev. Dr. Barber has helped to develop homes for flood victims, first time homebuyers, led the effort to secure a low moderate-income senior citizen’s complex, and the construction of a Community Development Resource Center. To date this has resulted in more than 12 million dollars of community development initiatives.

As a part of these initiatives, Rev. Dr. Barber developed Project YESS: Youth Empowered for Success and Service, which are programs designed to enable students who are failing academically to achieve success through tutoring and enrichment activities that emphasize Attitude, Academics and Art.

Rev. Dr. Barber has led in the efforts along with other clergy and community leaders in The Stop the Funeral Initiative and the Drug Dealer/Gang Member Redemption Conference focused on reducing drug and gang violence in Wayne County. As a result of Rev. Dr. Barber’s lead on this initiative, RBPCDC is embarking on a new effort, the 2nd Chance Education and Job Training program aimed at providing education and job training for formerly incarcerated individuals and others with significant barriers to employment.

Rev. Dr. William J. Barber II is married to Rebecca McLean Barber and they have five children.

http://www.naacp.org/naacp-board-of-directors/board-member-dr-william-barber/
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 03:55 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Isn't that like shaking your head yes while in actuality voting no?

Definitely a useful technique to master if you're in a compromising position — kick it down the road.
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layman
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 05:21 am
@Lash,


True fact, Jack:

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Democracy Betrayed By Democrats, Not Russia

Over the course of the last year, the ‘Russian hacking’ narrative has steadily deteriorated into accusations of nebulous Russian “collusion,” before morphing into claims of nefarious ‘Russian trolling.’ During this time, establishment interests have overtly attempted to use accusations of Russian interference to deflect from the DNC email’s revelation that the Democratic Party was caught red-handed in the destruction of the American democratic process. By the end of the year, the investigation into Russian meddling had devolved into an outright retaliatory witch-hunt, and the subversion of Democracy shown by the DNC had gone largely unaddressed.

In summary, the investigation of Russian collusion has amounted to a witch hunt in retaliation against those who threaten the oligarchic American status quo. It has amounted to a lackluster attempt to gaslight the public in hopes of preventing the realization that the power of their vote has effectively been stripped from them.

Russiagate as a war on dissent: Amicus brief filed by Brennan, Clapper, McFaul, other national security state honchos seeks to define American journalists & activists who criticize the US/NATO line on Russia as subversive fifth columnists.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 05:31 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Fine. If you want to think that MLK, one of the greatest if not the greatest American ever to live, would have sulked in his corner when faced with President Trump, who am I to tell you otherwise?

He didn't stay in his corner sulking when he was alive, though. He got **** done. He reached out. He built aliences. But maybe that's because he loved people, instead of hating them. Misanthropy is killing you.

If I were in fact sulking in a corner you might have a point.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:39 am
Wikipedia

Chicago
In 1966, after several successes in the South, King and other people in the civil rights organizations tried to spread the movement to the North, with Chicago as its first target. King and Ralph Abernathy moved into its slums on purpose as an educational experience and to demonstrate their support and empathy for the poor. They were both rather middle class folks, well-educated and of decent means, so they had to figure some way to connect.

Abernathy could not stand the slums and secretly moved out after a short period. King stayed and wrote about how Coretta and his children suffered emotional problems from the horrid conditions, inability to play outside.

In Chicago, Abernathy would later write, they received a worse reception than they had received in the south. Thrown bottles and screaming throngs met their marches and they were truly afraid of starting a riot. King had always felt a responsibility to the people he was leading to not unnecessarily stage a violent event, something rather unique to him as a radical social leader of the 1960s or any other decade. If King had intimations that a peaceful march would be put down with violence he would call it off for the safety of people. But he himself still faced death many a time by marching at the front in the face of death threats to his person. And in Chicago the violence was so formidable, it shook the two friends.

But worse than the violence was the two-facedness of the city leaders. Abernathy and King secured agreements on action to be taken, but this action was largely bureaucratically killed after-the-fact by politicians within mayor Richard J. Daley's corrupt machine. Some of their small successes such as Operation Breadbasket, did not translate into anything as large as the desegregation cases of the bus boycott in the South. However, they did light the fire of ideas like Affirmative Action and organizing labor as legitimate techniques in the minds of the people.

When King and his allies returned to the South, they left Jesse Jackson, then a young Chicago activist, in charge of their organization. While Jackson had a great deal of heart and oratorical skill, he knew very little about running an organization. They asked him for financial information, and he sent them a bag of unorganized receipts. Chicago could be seen as a point where the civil rights movement lost its momentum and began to fade to a shadow of what King had planned for it.

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Further challenges

King giving a speechStarting in 1965, King began to express doubts about the United States' role in the Vietnam War. On April 4, 1967 -- exactly one year before his death -- King spoke out strongly against the US's role in the war, insisting that the US was in Vietnam "to occupy it as an American colony" and calling the US government "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today." But he also argued that the country needed larger and broader moral changes:

A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say: "This is not just." [8]
King was long hated by many white southern segregationists, but this speech turned the more mainstream media against him. TIME called the speech "demagogic slander that sounded like a script for Radio Hanoi (a propaganda radio station run by the North Vietnamese Army during the Vietnam War)", and the Washington Post declared that King had "diminished his usefulness to his cause, his country, his people."

The speech was a reflection of King's evolving political advocacy in his later years. He began to speak of the need for fundamental changes in the political and economic life of the nation. Toward the end of his life, King more frequently expressed his opposition to the war and his desire to see a redistribution of resources to correct racial and economic injustice. Though his public language was guarded, so as to avoid being linked to communism by his political enemies, in private he sometimes spoke of his support for democratic socialism:

You can't talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can't talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You're really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry.... Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong... with capitalism.... There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism. (Frogmore, S.C. November 14, 1966. Speech in front of his staff.)
King also stated in his "Beyond Vietnam" speech that "True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring." From Vietnam to South Africa to Latin America, King said, the U.S. was "on the wrong side of a world revolution." King questioned "our alliance with the landed gentry of Latin America," and asked why the U.S. was suppressing revolutions "of the shirtless and barefoot people" in the Third World, instead of supporting them.

In 1968, King and the SCLC organized the "Poor People's Campaign" to address issues of economic justice. The campaign culminated in a march on Washington, D.C. demanding economic aid to the poorest communities of the United States. He crisscrossed the country to assemble "a multiracial army of the poor" that would descend on Washington -- engaging in nonviolent civil disobedience at the Capitol, if need be -- until Congress enacted a poor people's bill of rights. Reader's Digest warned of an "insurrection."

King's economic bill of rights called for massive government jobs programs to rebuild America's cities. He saw a crying need to confront a Congress that had demonstrated its "hostility to the poor" -- appropriating "military funds with alacrity and generosity," but providing "poverty funds with miserliness."

On April 3, 1968, King prophetically told a euphoric crowd:

It really doesn't matter what happens now.... some began to... talk about the threats that were out -- what would happen to me from some of our sick white brothers.... Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place, but I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over, and I've seen the Promised Land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the Promised Land. And so I'm happy tonight. I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.
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Assassination

The Lorraine Motel, where Rev. King was assassinated, now the site of the National Civil Rights MuseumKing was assassinated the next evening, April 4, 1968, at 6:01 PM, on the balcony of the Lorraine Motel in Memphis, Tennessee, while preparing to lead a local march in support of the heavily black Memphis sanitation workers' union which was on strike at the time. Friends inside the motel room heard the shot fired and ran to the balcony to find King shot in the throat. He was pronounced dead at St. Joseph's hospital at 7:05 PM . The assassination led to a nationwide wave of riots in more than 60 cities. Four days later, President Lyndon Johnson declared a national day of mourning for the lost civil rights leader. A crowd of 300,000 attended his funeral that same day.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 12:05 pm
@Olivier5,
I am not sure you read the whole the whole article, and I am going by memory, but the ethical beliefs I am talking are like the story of the guy who is racist against Muslims but believes in government programs or say, ethical beliefs like the right to choose what to do with your own body...issues such as that. It is like some of the heartland democrats are asking the rest of the democrats to be accepting of people who hold racist views, or do not believe in equality for homosexuals and other so called 'identity politics' in order to win elections.

Moreover, I am not sure what they mean. Do they want us to change in our party platform to not include "identity politics." Should we abandon homosexual rights or women's rights or minority and civil rights in order to please them and win elections?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 01:16 pm
55 Democrats just voted to help the Republicans renew the wiretap law.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 01:26 pm
@edgarblythe,
That's the law that, according to Trump, the previous administration used to bug Trump Tower. Might want to leave that one on the books!
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 01:39 pm
@hightor,
Er - Okay. When they come after you will it be okay to remove it then?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 01:45 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
I believe he would be fighting as much against oligarchy as anything else, same as me.


what real-worl actions are you taking in the battle against the oligarchy?
 

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