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Why I left the Democratic Party

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2017 07:51 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

She could have helped Bernie in the primaries but went silent at the most critical time.


She could have done nothing meaningful to help Bernie.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2017 07:52 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

The increments argument is such bullshit. While Democrats are working for you to get Obamacare and gay rights, they are taking away much more. Bill Clinton was a Democrat in name only. He usurped Republican ideas and was applauded as a political genius, because the Democrats in congress loved him for it. Kill welfare, preside over prisons for profit, take away our bank protections. Obama continuing W's war policies, Bush era tax cuts (his compromise tailored to his donors), actions driving away jobs and wages. It's the old carrot and stick. You can have Obamacare, but I've got to take away other stuff.


Yeah, there's a bunch of inaccurate **** written here

Cycloptichorn
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2017 08:07 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I realize the cards were already stacked, but she was more like Bernie than Hillary. Like most orthodox Democrats, she kept silent.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2017 08:56 am
@edgarblythe,
She didn't necessarily think that.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2017 08:57 am
http://www.npr.org/2017/11/03/561976645/clinton-campaign-had-additional-signed-agreement-with-dnc-in-2015

NPR got a copy of the signed agreement between Clinton and the DNC. Suffice to say that it does NOT match the allegations made by Brazille, who was merely trying to hype up her new book.

Cycloptichorn
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2017 12:32 pm
It is a fact that Clinton ran the DNC and rigged several vitally important aspects of the primary process to the detriment of the better candidate—and in effect, made Donald Trump president.

https://youtu.be/G_AbImGm1HY

CNN, Jeff Weaver, footage from the crime scene...
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2017 01:25 pm
Brazile was angry that the Clinton campaign was ducking Clinton’s health problems, almost selected Biden to run after the 911 fainting spell, and felt that she was treated like a slave by the Clinton campaign. Amazing!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/brazile-i-considered-replacing-clinton-with-biden-as-2016-democratic-nominee/2017/11/04/f0b75418-bf4c-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html

The lead-in:

Former Democratic National Committee head Donna Brazile writes in a new book that she seriously contemplated replacing Hillary Clinton as the party's 2016 presidential nominee with then-Vice President Biden in the aftermath of Clinton's fainting spell, in part because Clinton's campaign was "anemic" and had taken on "the odor of failure."

In an explosive new memoir, Brazile details widespread dysfunction and dissension throughout the Democratic Party, including secret deliberations over using her powers as interim DNC chair to initiate the removal of Clinton and running mate Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.) from the ticket after Clinton's Sept. 11, 2016, collapse in New York City.

Brazile writes that she considered a dozen combinations to replace the nominees and settled on Biden and Sen. Cory Booker (N.J.), the duo she felt most certain would win over enough working-class voters to defeat Republican Donald Trump. But then, she writes, "I thought of Hillary, and all the women in the country who were so proud of and excited about her. I could not do this to them."
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2017 08:52 pm
Chomsky: Trump is a Distraction, Used by the Deep State to ‘Systematically Destroy’ America
http://wakingtimesmedia.com/chomsky-trump-distraction-used-deep-state-systematically-destroy-america/
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 01:29 am
America Is Not a ‘Center-Right Nation’
By Eric Levitz, November 1, 2017, The New York Times
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/opinion/democrats-economic-policy.html

The Democratic Party has learned to stop worrying and love “big government” liberalism. The party’s top presidential prospects are advertising their ardor for socialized medicine, free public college, universal child care and paid family leave.

Even the party’s moderate senators are now pushing for the same kind of public health insurance option that their centrist predecessors killed in the early Obama years. And the party’s 2018 platform — the consensus agenda that ostensibly unites all Democrats, from Joe Manchin of West Virginia to Bernie Sanders — calls for vigorous antitrust enforcement to prevent mega-corporations from rigging the economy against working people.

The party’s resident “sensible centrists” are horrified: “Has the entire Democratic Party forgotten the words ‘George McGovern’?” they cry. In column after column, they have been imploring their co-partisans to remember a fundamental fact: America is a center-right nation, where nearly 70 percent of voters are moderate or conservative, and just 25 percent are liberal. Over the past eight years, Democrats lost sight of this inconvenient truth — and lost control of more than 1,000 state legislative seats, the House, the Senate and the presidency.

This argument may sound coolheaded and pragmatic. But its core premises — that American voters are hostile to progressive economics and have punished the (increasingly left-wing) Democratic Party accordingly — actually rest on ideological conviction, not empirical evidence.

In truth, the Republican Party’s dominance has little to do with the American electorate’s “center-right” ideology. We know this for two simple reasons: First, the vast majority of that electorate has no ideology, whatsoever. And second, when polled on discrete policy questions, Americans consistently express majoritarian support for a left-of-center economic agenda. [...]

And in their recent book “Neither Liberal Nor Conservative: Ideological Innocence in the American Public,” the political scientists Donald Kinder and Nathan Kalmoe show that the electorate is scarcely more ideological today, at the peak of partisan polarization, than it was at the height of the New Deal consensus (when Mr. Converse published his landmark study).

[...] While it’s true that fewer Americans self-identify as liberal than as moderate or conservative, this tells us almost nothing about voters’ policy views. “Moderates” do not actually display a preference for “centrist” positions, but merely for ideologically inconsistent ones. In fact, the Stanford political scientist David Broockman has shown that moderates are just as likely to subscribe to “extreme” policy positions as other voters are: In the United States, there are self-identified “moderates” who support a $1 million maximum income, prohibiting gays and lesbians from teaching public school and the mass deportation of all undocumented immigrants.

Meanwhile, the number of genuine “liberals” and “conservatives” is far smaller than meets the eye. Most voters who identify with those terms are partisans first, and ideologues second. Or as Mr. Kinder and Mr. Kalmoe conclude an analysis of four decades of voter survey data, “ideological identification seems more a reflection of political decisions than a cause.” In other words: The average conservative Republican isn’t a Republican because she’s a conservative — she self-identifies as a conservative because she’s a Republican.

One crucial implication of this finding is that political elites have enormous power to dictate ideological terms to their rank-and-file supporters. For a healthy chunk of conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats, the “liberal” and “conservative” position on most issues is whatever their party leaders say it is. Donald Trump’s success at redefining conservative voters’ consensus views on free trade, American policy toward Russia and the relevance of personal morality to effective political leadership offers a particularly vivid illustration of this phenomenon.

When we look past ideological self-identification to polling on discrete public policy questions, America appears to be far more center-left than center-right. In a recent analysis of Democracy Fund Voter Study Group survey data, the political scientist Lee Drutman found that 73.5 percent of the 2016 electorate espoused broadly left-of-center views on economic policy.

That finding is supported by polling on individual fiscal issues over the past year. Recent surveys have shown that most Americans — including majorities of Republican voters — support increasing federal financing of health care and oppose cutting taxes for the wealthy. [...] Recent polls have found that over 60 percent of Americans support tuition-free public college (a majority that includes 58 percent of independents and 47 percent of Republicans); that over 60 percent of all voters favor Medicaid and Medicare buy-in programs, while a slim majority likes the sound of single-payer; and that 82 percent of voters, including 70 percent of Republicans, support new legislation expanding access to paid family and medical leave.

The Democratic Party has failed to translate the popularity of progressive economics into electoral success for a variety of reasons. The most fundamental is the one we’ve already observed: Most voters cast their ballots on the basis of identity, not policy. And America’s rapidly changing demographics — and the right’s steadfast efforts to inflame and exploit anxieties about those changes — have made racial identity increasingly salient to white voters, particularly rural ones. This development, combined with the disproportionate influence that our political system awards to white rural voters, has given Republicans a structural advantage.

Democrats have all kinds of ways of addressing this problem. One would be to cultivate the class identity of white voters by embracing populist rhetoric that paints “the billionaire class” as an out-group they can define themselves against. Another would be to invest more resources into registering nonwhite voters. [...]

Embracing a more conservative economic agenda, however, would solve none of the Democrats’ problems. At a time of historic inequality, rampant corporate consolidation and environmental crisis, the case for more robust redistributive social programs and public-interest regulations is strong. When centrist Democrats claim that making such a case is electoral suicide, they reveal less about the American public’s stubbornly center-right convictions than about their own.

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 10:09 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

It is a fact that Clinton ran the DNC and rigged several vitally important aspects of the primary process to the detriment of the better candidate—and in effect, made Donald Trump president.

https://youtu.be/G_AbImGm1HY

CNN, Jeff Weaver, footage from the crime scene...


Weaver is a lying idiot and always had been.

Quote:
Brazile: I found 'no evidence' Democratic primary was rigged


https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/05/donna-brazile-rigged-democrats-clinton-sanders-244566

Donna has now completely repudiated the comments that led to such a hullabaloo. But you'll never admit that she did, right?

Cycloptichorn
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 10:30 am
She is, in the final analysis, a hard core Democrat apologist before being completely honest.
maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 10:52 am
@edgarblythe,
You people are the reasons we don't have nicer things.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 10:54 am
@maporsche,
Smile
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 11:24 am
@maporsche,
You lie through your blood stained teeth.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 12:11 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
You and the other Hillary apologists are creating your own facts now. I’m not playing with you.

The facts are undeniable to people who want to know the truth.

If you and those like you don’t decide to accept the facts around the Dems’ cheating, Republicans will rule this country until our inevitable collapse into obscurity.
hightor
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 12:38 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
You and the other Hillary apologists...

That's inaccurate and unfair. I really haven't seen anyone defending Clinton or the DNC. The arguments seem to be primarily about the unseemly and destructive preoccupation with Clinton by ideologues and purists and the damaging effect that has in the current political situation. Whatever Clinton and the DNC have done or may have done, it can't be as destructive as the actions of the current administration.

Lash, honestly, how can you triumphantly parade explosive excerpts from Brazile's book one day and then, after she declares there was no "rigging" to be seen, accuse your opponents of "creating their own facts"?

Quote:
If you and those like you don’t decide to accept the facts around the Dems’ cheating, Republicans will rule this country until our inevitable collapse into obscurity.


If you and those like you don't decide to accept that there is political peril in trying to impose ideological purity on an organization as diverse as the Democratic Party, Republicans really will rule this country for a long, long time.

You know, when I penciled in the box for Clinton I wasn't voting for her; I was voting to extend Democratic control of the executive branch, and all that entails with regard to judgeships, the cabinet, regulatory reform, climate policy and and a bunch of other things that were a lot more important to me than Mrs. Clinton's career.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 12:53 pm
Accusing us of demands inflicting ideological purity on a party that insists on their own brand of ideological purity is a bit off.

Democrats voted to give Trump an even bigger military raise than he was asking. How does this increment benefit us?
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 01:05 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Whatever Clinton and the DNC have done or may have done, it can't be as destructive as the actions of the current administration.


Incorrect. Trump and his isolated and roundly, correctly-maligned behavior is an anomaly in our history. Clinton’s stealthy anti-democratic neoliberalism, which goes unreported by her aligned media, has sneaked up through decades, camouflaged as correctness.

Stupid tribalist Americans, like most members here, shut down criticism of the dangerous encroaching corporate Democrat Party, and they increasingly hyperbolize every untoward action by conservatives while normalizing the crazed corruption of the other party. It’s carbon monoxide: you can’t see it or smell it while it’s killing you.

One is stupid and irritating as hell and ridiculous.

The other is more than half-way to a Fascism you don’t see—and won’t—until it is choking the life out of you and everyone you love.

READ ORWELL AGAIN with an open mind.
Real Music
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 01:09 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
You know, when I penciled in the box for Clinton I wasn't voting for her; I was voting to extend Democratic control of the executive branch, and all that entails with regard to judgeships, the cabinet, regulatory reform, climate policy and and a bunch of other things that were a lot more important to me than Mrs. Clinton's career.

Yes, I agree with you completely.
Your point needs to be repeated over and over again.
I thank you for saying what truly needed to be said.
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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 01:11 pm
@edgarblythe,
I don't see the Dem establishment exhibiting "ideological purity". Aside from the disastrous candidacy of Mrs. Clinton, it was their damn pragmatism that seemed to upset the Sanders wing.
Quote:
How does this increment benefit us?

Why do you think it has to benefit you?
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