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Why I left the Democratic Party

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 01:12 am
@Olivier5,
You’re so afraid of the truth.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 02:48 am
@Lash,
Thanks for the laugh.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 04:57 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Who are you and what have you done with oralloy.

Don't worry, Oral is just posturing here, like Lash does all the time. Hypocrisy is the homage of vice to virtue.

“Don’t worry.”

Why would anyone worry? Why do you and others prefer to say Oralloy and I are lying about our political views? It’s psychotic.

You’re afraid of the truth.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 05:12 am
@Lash,
I'm just putting 2 and 2 together. People qupting extreme right views all the time may have a romantic notion that they are actually democrats or leftists, but they nevertheless behave as extreme right. Actions speak louder than words.
revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 08:17 am
@Lash,
I am going out on a limb here and being completely honest with you. Perhaps you really believe you are a progressive, perhaps you believe in progressive views and want them to win to realize their goals.

Why not stick to progressive websites rather ones who seem to push extreme right wing views or just plain anti-democrat views? Why can you not just espouse your views without the need to always tear democrats down? Why do you only bring up pro right wing points of views in almost any controversial issues which may be discussed at any given time? Why do you bring so many links to pieces which only seem to be pro-Trump?

Do you not see the obvious contradiction in the two paragraphs?

There is a difference between you and edgar which is why no one has accused edgar of playing false.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 09:06 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Why not stick to progressive websites rather ones who seem to push extreme right wing views or just plain anti-democrat views?
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I *am* anti-democrat. (Also anti-GOP). I love the few lefty news outlets that still operate, and I bring those Truthdig and Intercept articles frequently, but I definitely support RT, largely because the MSM has been completely co-opted by establishment idiocy. MSNBC is completely insane. They now allow their psychotic news actors to accuse brilliant, dedicated journalists, like Glenn Greenwald, to be Russian operatives. You hear me complain about the New McCarthyism. Your direct complaint here about where I read is exactly what I'm talking about. It's insanity. I retain the right to read wherever I choose.
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Why can you not just espouse your views without the need to always tear democrats down?
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Primarily because of the misguided lock-step approval in this place. If others were more even-handed in their criticism of both parties and their voiceboxes, we'd be talking about actual issues rather than making **** up about people and deteriorating to personal attacks.
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Why do you only bring up pro right wing points of views in almost any controversial issues which may be discussed at any given time?
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This is inaccurate. Your perspective is skewed because of your bias. Certainly right-wingers enjoy the dissolution of the D party. I enjoy it, too. I'm also quite happy to see the weakening and leftward direction of a swath of Republicans. I'm pretty sure, as I said when Bernie first emerged as a candidate, that the people of America were sick and tired of corruption and we were headed for a sea change. It's happening and I'm in heaven because of it. I didn't think I'd live to see it.

But, I will say some of my views are considered conservative. While I do think some restrictions should be attached to gun ownership, I am pro-gun-ownership. I'm not for open borders.
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Why do you bring so many links to pieces which only seem to be pro-Trump?
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On the rare occasion Trump does something that might have a positive impact, I'm not afraid to say so. When Trump is being vilified (rightly or wrongly so), but Obama did the same ******* thing without a peep from the routinely offended, I say so. You should too. It's not "so many." I think your confirmation bias makes it seem so to you.
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There is a difference between you and edgar which is why no one has accused edgar of playing false.
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Edgar is a life-long lefty progressive. How in hell could anyone make a claim he's lived his life so in 2017, he could criticize the Democrat party...

Conversely, I began my political identity as a conservative, albeit socially liberal. Over time and through experiences, that changed.

Regardless of the truth of my political identity, either you can respond to the content of a member's statements and questions, or you cannot.

Personal attack of one's 'real political identity' is just a brainless soap opera.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 10:14 am
@Lash,
Wow. Rarely does one see an anti-US, Russian troll just announce themselves that way.

"Anti-democrat, anti-GOP, pro-Russia Today."

Just, wow.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 10:19 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Don't worry, Oral is just posturing here


I'll have to disagree. oralloy's been consistent in his/her positions over the years. They're an interesting, if occasionally puzzling, mix.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 10:22 am
@Olivier5,
I agree that action speaks louder than words.

When I came to the realization that schools / education was, in fact, deficient in poor neighborhoods and many students were treated unfairly by teachers, I became a teacher in those schools for the explicit purpose to become a part of the solution.

Waiting to see who will try to spin this to a criticism.

Lash
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 10:24 am
@DrewDad,
I'm pro-US as are most progressives. We want the US to be what it was designed to be, and live up to the lofty lines of our founding documents.
And stop murdering brown people by machine in far away places.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 10:26 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Wow. Rarely does one see an anti-US, Russian troll just announce themselves that way.

"Anti-democrat, anti-GOP, pro-Russia Today."

Just, wow.

McCarthyite. Anti-American.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 11:08 am
@Lash,
I don't always agree with you, but thank you for becoming an educator. Teachers do influence their students in many ways. Good teachers are remembered by their students. I'm now 83 and still remember Mrs Lesher in grade school. She was a kind and understanding person who cared for all of her students. She taught English.
I was a poor student, but all turned out okay after college.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 11:10 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
All the things you liked about Hillary
Such as?
I like a foreign policy that is "robustly muscular" but at the same time works with our allies instead of antagonizing them and boldly going it alone.
I'd also like to see the Obamacare exchanges nurtured, supported, and expanded, instead of being relentlessly sabotaged simply because they have Obama's name on them.

I could actually die if the Republicans succeed in preventing me from having good health insurance.

I'm not facing any health problems so far in my life, but there's always a chance that some terrible illness will strike from out of the blue.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 11:18 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
And stop murdering brown people by machine in far away places.
Self defense isn't murder.

And if we stopped defending ourselves against terrorists, they'd be here killing us.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 11:35 am
@Lash,
I don't see any reason to belabor the point, you accuse me of bias and I in turn accuse you of confusion. I guess I wanted to attempt to explain why some here (not all)seem to have issues with your political identity. Perhaps there is an offshoot progressive group you belong to which fits your example of it. I don't think your points of views are the same as most of the progressives who are running in the mid-terms. At least they don't come off as you do. But enough.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 11:50 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
I'll have to disagree. oralloy's been consistent in his/her positions over the years. They're an interesting, if occasionally puzzling, mix.
I'm a male for the record.

My position on the Second Amendment has varied a bit over the years. There are a couple schools of thought on how to interpret it, one more hard-line and one more flexible and pragmatic, and I've flip-flopped between them over the years.

The hard-line position is that the Second Amendment covers full-auto (or at least burst fire) M-16s, under-barrel 40MM grenade launchers, and full-power explosive grenades. However, this interpretation does not include handguns. Nor does it include any weapon more powerful than M-16s and grenades.

The flexible and pragmatic position separates self defense rights from militia rights. Militiamen have the right to have any military weapon that they can afford to buy. Ordinary civilians have the right to have weapons that are suitable for self defense.


The flexible and pragmatic position gives us the right to have much more useful weapons. A small handgun can be carried conveniently whereas it would be cumbersome to carry a rifle slung over your shoulder everywhere.

It is also more likely to be accepted and enforced by judges, who would balk at allowing the public to have free access to M-16s and fragmentation grenades.

And the fact that militiamen would have the right to have heavy military weapons at home undermines the occasional gun control claim that we need to focus on the militia aspect of the Second Amendment.


However, the hard-line position is actually legally correct and is what our right is truly supposed to be.

So, do I want to be a pragmatist or do I want to be a zealot? It really depends on my mood that day. Usually I choose pragmatism. But I do have an inner zealot yearning to break free.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 12:06 pm
@revelette1,
I fit in fine with 900 pretty progressive Berniecrats on Twitter.

I think you’re the one who’s confused. I only have a couple of divergent opinions from the mass of them.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 05:01 pm
@Lash,
You, in particular, drive them nuts. You won't fit into their preconceived profile of a progressive/liberal/lefty (you choose). You won't wear the intellectual uniform.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 05:11 pm
@revelette1,
Why do you give a damn?

Do you value your self-identification as a progressive so much that you wish to guard the label as it is was a horde of dragon's gold?

Does everyone who calls themselves a progressive need to pass some test on which you've scored an "A+?"

It's yet another example of how tribal you and everyone else who hounds Lash are. The Elders haven't accepted her into the tribe so she has no right to claim membership. In fact, it infuriates you all that she does and so rather than simply, one-time, stating that you don't consider her views progressive (as if any of you are models of progressivism) you all have to continuously attack her as something worse than a poseur, an imposter...and a Russian one at that.

It doesn't seem to really bother Lash all that much, and I find it incredibly amusing, but at its core, it's ugly.
layman
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 05:52 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Probably the thing they hate most is that Lash doesn't let her "views" control her observations. She just calls them as she sees them, whoever is batting. That is strictly prohibited by "progressives.'
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