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Why I left the Democratic Party

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2017 06:36 pm
@Lash,
I don't Twitter.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2017 06:52 pm
@maporsche,
Bullshit...meet Bullshitter
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2017 06:53 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
HaHaHaHa and a Ha

Like we might know.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 05:04 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Edgar, I don’t know if you have Twitter, but it’s a beautiful place on my feed right now. Warren has admitted the DNC/Hillary cheating, Shaun King is supporting Bernie and his supporters—and a lot of former Hillary supporters are apologizing to Bernie supporters.

*grin*

This might be a brilliant stroke against progressives to try to coax votes in 2018 (of course, REAL MOVESwill be required soon or no dice), but it is heartening to see people being accountable and speaking the truth.

Hillary’s popularity, such as it was, has tanked.




I don't know why they had to wait for this "revelation." It was obvious from the beginning, as you and I and others kept complaining throughout the process.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 07:27 am
So Hillary raised 50MM for the DNC to get them out of debt. Sanders was asked to do the same but he declined. Hillary then put the DNC on an ‘allowance’ to keep their spending in check (all this according to Donna Brassile).

What happened to sabotage the Sanders campaign here? Like specifically?
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 07:28 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Bullshit...meet Bullshitter


Is this agreement with what I wrote? I’m not sure. I don’t know how you could decline it just based on all the mean spirited bullshit you cheered on from one particular “cheese-eater” alone.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 08:04 am
@maporsche,
Crickets

They can't point to specific actions taken against Bernie because there were none. Brazille alleges none. None of his supporters have ever shown any.

The fact of the matter is that he ran a poor campaign, that started too late in the cycle, and lost because of it.

Cycloptichorn
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 08:11 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You think you're not rich at $105K a year but you need to listen to your confreres. You are RICH!


The top 1% earn $300,000+ per year on their W2's. That's not even counting whatever investment income is earned (but taxed much less). As someone in the market for a Bugatti, you must understand the difference in spending power and wealth creation between $300k and $100k.

Do I expect my brother who makes $35k per year to fully understand that difference? No, not really.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 08:12 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

I notice people on a2k spend more time criticizing the messenger than worrying about the message, when it's someone they don't agree with.


I wonder if any of you have any desire to actually engage on the message at all, now that I've decided to do so.

Cycloptichorn



Cyclops, I still love the crickets after you rebutted edgar here.

And Finn wonder's why it's frustrating to engage Lash and Edgar on these topics.....they refuse to.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 08:34 am
@maporsche,
Just as an example Finn....I took my annual budget and tripled my take home pay.

I'd go from saving ~$38,000/yr to saving ~$168,000/yr.

I wouldn't be starting a business where I'm hoping to purchase 1 rental home/yr....I'd be buying 6/yr. My wealth would grow exponentially at the 1% income level.


Now, even buying 1 rental home per year looks rich to my brother...and I have to admit it feels good to not have to worry much about money and affording mortgage/rent and things. It feels so good to be able to give thousands/yr to charity and to help my family when they need it.

I also know that if I'm being asked to pay more taxes to help fund schools or military pay or police officer pensions then I'm more than willing to do my part to do so...because I can afford it....easily. I just don't want to be the only one doing it, because it would not be effective.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 08:47 am
@maporsche,
Buying one rental home AT ALL makes you pretty damn wealthy in this country.

Cycloptichorn
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 08:58 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Buying one rental home AT ALL makes you pretty damn wealthy in this country.


Absolutely. That being said, it's a multifamily home and I'll be living in one of the units so I was able to get a mortgage with just 3.5% down (~$14,000). Having an extra $14k lying around is nice of course, but it's not rich. It's just not poor.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 09:14 am
From Olivier

Quote:
One year later, Democrats try to use painful lessons of 2016 to guide future campaigns
Evan Halper and David Lauter, LA Times

As hordes of progressives make plans to scream helplessly at the sky Wednesday to protest the one-year anniversary of Donald Trump’s election, the influential Democrats whose strategic missteps and disconnectedness to the electorate helped deliver his victory have other plans.

The operatives and donors who propelled Hillary Clinton’s campaign are combing ever deeper through the painful details of an election gone terribly wrong for Democrats as they determinedly try to correct course. They are seizing on the clarity that comes with distance to plunge into difficult discussions about what might have been done differently – and how they can put those lessons to use in upcoming elections. [...]

“It is a misunderstanding to say he had no policies,” said Neera Tanden, a longtime Clinton policy advisor and president of the Center for American Progress, a liberal research and activist group. “He was able to communicate to working-class people that he was concerned about their plight.”

Future Democratic candidates, Tanden said, should learn from the way the party failed to communicate last year with Rust Belt workers well into middle age. Those voters heard from Trump that he was determined to stop jobs from moving out of the country. From the Clinton campaign, they heard talk of college affordability and raising the minimum wage.

“If you are making $25 an hour, but worried jobs would disappear, one of those messages is more immediate,” Tanden said.

Democrats are still struggling to adjust. Their efforts are being helped along by Trump, who hasn’t delivered on the big initiatives he promised – and now has a record in office that makes some economically stressed, working-class voters anxious. Trump’s support among swing voters and Obama supporters who defected to his side has declined slowly, but steadily all year.

Still, Democrats worry that relying on public uneasiness with Trump to win future elections would just repeat the mistake the party made last year.

“When you look at long-term successful political parties and movements, there is a message that is powerful and inspirational for people you are trying to reach,” said Tom Steyer, the California billionaire and Democratic activist. “If you look at the last few years in the Democratic Party, one of the questions legitimately is, ‘Is there a cohesive vision of what we are trying to accomplish?’” [...]


Much, much more:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-clinton-reflect-20171103-story.html
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 09:21 am
@maporsche,
I would hope that the DNC is planning on making changes. I still see they're light on specifics.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 09:28 am
@maporsche,
Well yes, they're only starting, and this is a painful discussion. One point that comes out clear though, is that they have to know what they're fighting FOR, not just who they're fighting AGAINST. They have to rediscover what it means to be reform-minded, and MEAN it.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 09:33 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Well yes, they're only starting, and this is a painful discussion. One point that comes out clear though, is that they have to know what they're fighting FOR, not just who they're fighting AGAINST. They have to rediscover what it means to be reform-minded, and MEAN it.


I was never under the impression, and I'm still not, that the democrats generally didn't know what they were fighting for. Their public policies and goals are plan as day. What I thought they were missing is an implementation plan.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 09:33 am
@maporsche,
Yeah but how much is the PMI on that with such a small down payment? That's gotta kill your profitability

Cycloptichorn
engineer
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 09:34 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Not really, you just need to be able to borrow money. I know someone with 15 rental homes (none of which I would like to live in). He's comfortable as long as they are all rented out, but he is struggling if three are empty at any given time and works really hard keeping them up. College for his kids is a daunting proposition. That's not rich. No one is saying he is poor, but he's middle class.

My definition is that the lower 20% is poor, the top 5% is rich. Based on 2015 data, that works out to poor<=$22k/year and rich>=$214k/year in income. Rich, net worth wise is around $1M. (Net worth for the poor is negative.)
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 09:36 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Yeah but how much is the PMI on that with such a small down payment? That's gotta kill your profitability

Cycloptichorn


Not so much. The house was bought at a great price and includes an in-law arrangement in the basement that I will be renting out as an AirBNB. Mortgage is $2400/mo, rental on the upstairs unit is currently $1400/mo, and I should be able to get $750-$1500 out of the AirBNB in the basement...allowing me to live almost rent free (and increasing my savings for rental #2).

I move in 2 weeks to this place. My current rent is $1900/mo so pretty much no matter what happens I'll be better off financially.

Also of note, is that my SO income isn't included in any of these posts (until we are married), although she'll be paying $750/mo towards the mortgage too.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 09:41 am
There were specific posts about this all during the process and they fell on deaf ears. If you didn't understand then you certainly aren't going to get it now. I only wish the progressives all would start a third party. Let the Dems try to win with Hillary types again.
 

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