Bush supporters' aftermath thread

and just when you start thinking it can't get funnier, you read about the dems wanting to run Barbara Bagger for president:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/1/31/105022.shtml

Oh my, Gunga, that is a hoot.

At this point I don't know whether to view the thing as funny or frightening. The democrat party needs to be got rid of. Nothing good can come of its continued existence.

You could view it as unsubstantiated rumor. That might do it.

The only thing I can think of is .. what can I do to encourage the Democrats to believe that she is, indeed, their best hope?

Marry her and turn her into a conservative.

Did the Barbara Boxer presidential candidacy get any encouragement from Hillary Clinton collapsing while giving a speech? Perhaps the 2 could run together as candidates for President and VP - the one could stop climbing on a box to speak, the other could just plain lie down, so they can both fit in the same camera angle.

Guys - let's promote that ticket far and wide <G>

I doubt they are allies since Boxer's daughter divorced Hillary's brother.

I neither agree with nor trust Hillary. However I do credit her with intelligence and a fairly good strategic sense. Boxer is just a self-centered Marin County idiot.

I view Hillary Clinton as a sort of a cross between Lady MacBeth and Ma Barker.

War Critics Paris, Berlin, Moscow Hail Iraq Vote

World - Reuters
By Mark John

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Iraq war opponents France, Germany and Russia Monday hailed elections in the country as a success and, in a sign of warming transatlantic ties, pledged to back U.S. efforts to restore stability.

In a bigger than expected turnout, up to 8 million Iraqis cast ballots Sunday, braving suicide bombs and mortar attacks by insurgents that killed 35 people.

EU leaders, despite concern over the low turnout among minority Sunnis, joined Washington in declaring the poll a success, three weeks before a Feb. 22 summit with President Bush that is meant to relaunch Europe-U.S. ties.

President Jacques Chirac, who faced U.S. wrath for leading a diplomatic campaign against the war, told President Bush by telephone the vote was "an important step in the political reconstruction of Iraq" and declared the turnout and organization a success.

German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said Berlin still believed it was right to have opposed the war but wanted to look to the future and what it could do to help in Iraq.

"The challenge of putting Iraq on a stable democratic footing is one we must all take on together -- within the political limits we have set," he told reporters in Brussels, reaffirming Germany's refusal to send troops to Iraq.

In Moscow, Russian President Vladimir Putin praised the election as "a step in the right direction" and told ministers at a government session to work for Iraq's future stability.

Paris, Berlin and Moscow were dubbed the "non-nein-nyet coalition" for opposing the U.S.-led war in the U.N. Security Council. The subsequent diplomatic chill has been described as the worst crisis in transatlantic ties since World War II.

But Americans and Europeans are readying a reconciliation they hope will be sealed when Bush visits NATO and the EU next month in the first foreign visit of his second term.

Spain, which initially backed the war but angered Washington by withdrawing its troops after a Socialist government took power last April, also praised the election as an important step toward the goal of a fully sovereign, secure Iraq.

This guy's a super loser.

Did this make anybody else giggle? Okay, so I have a warped sense of humor, but I did giggle.

I can't shake the image of all the lazy animals all too willing to help the Little Red Hen eat the bread after they had refused to help her gather the ingredients and bake it. But late on board is better than never on board I guess. At least they aren't pulling a Chicken Little routine.

Thanks to Thomas for looking up the McCarthy hearings mentioned by Just Wonders in a previous page
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=37997&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1250

I'm sure that lots of alleged "quotes" are inadvertently propagated by people who never read the original - rather like the lady who went to see "Hamlet" and said she didn't like it, it was too full of quotations <G>

If you say so.

<Bad grammatical mistake corrected>

I laughed out loud too Foxy. The way those fools want to just talk as if that changes anything drives me crazy. The apathy for the plight of the oppressed everywhere is sickening. Instead of squabbling for the currently uncontestable top spot we should be uniting to rid the world of all the Saddam-like A-holes. The world has just gotten too small to pretend we can't hear their cries for help anymore.

If the "non-nein-nyet coalition" had just added their voice to ours in the first place every other tyrant on this rock would be quaking in his boots by now, if he hadn't already began changing his ways. Apathy kills.

Ps. For some reason Ice-T's song "Body Count" is playing in my head. "Don't you hear the guns ya stupid..." His was a cry for help from the ignored inner city... but that's one of my favorite analogies anyway... I'll grab the song for those who don't know it. :wink:

4. Body Count

You know sometimes I sit at home, you know,
and I watch T.V. and I wonder what it would be like
to live someplace like, you know, the Cosby show,
Ozzie and Harriet, you know, where
cops come and got your cat outta the tree
all your friends died of old age,
But you see, I live in South Central Los Angeles and unfortunately...
**** AIN'T LIKE THAT!
IT'S REAL F*CKED UP!

God damn, what a brother gotta do
To get a message through
To the red, white and blue

What? I gotta die? Before you realize
I was a brother with open eyes

The world's insane
While you drink champagne
And I'm livin' in black rain

You try to ban the A.K.
I got ten of 'em stashed
With a case of hand grenades

(Tell us what to do?) F*ck you!
(Tell us what to do?) F*ck you!
(Tell us what to do?) F*ck you!
(Tell us what to do?) F*ck you!

You'd know what to do if yer kid got killed on the way to school or a cop shot your kid in the back yard…
**** would hit the fan mutha-f*cker and it would hit real hard!

[CHORUS]
I hear it every night, another gun fight
The tension mounts
On with the body count!

God damn what a brother gotta do
To get a message through
To the red, white and you?

What? I gotta die? Before you realize
I was a nigga with open eyes

The world's insane
While you drink champagne
And I'm livin' in black rain

Don't you hear the guns?
You stupid, dumb, dick suckin'
Bum politicians

(Tell us what to do?) F*ck you!
(Tell us what to do?) F*ck you!

The tension mounts!

The analogy of third world as inner city is appropriate. But you would have a complaint about the 3n coalition no matter what. If they didn't support the elections you would accuse them of partisanship, and if they do support the elections you mock them as giving too little too late. Wouldn't that same argument work for all of us who didn't support the war yet support Iraqi elections? Are we all apathetic for not supporting the Iraq war? Or are we all cynical because we've never seen the US act militarily for humanitarian reasons. Truthfully I agree that we have had the power to remedy many of the wrongs in the world. I'm just too cynical to believe that that is our intention or that it will be the result.

What did you think about military action in Bosnia, Somalia, Haiti, Freeduck?

I was against them, though I admit that at the time I didn't fully understand the reasons behind them, and probably still don't. I didn't have any faith in Clinton either, and didn't even like him, though I do now.

I don't know if we can solve all the world's problems either, FreeDuck... but I do want us to try. If we don't, who will? And, yes, I want every other civilized country to stand up with us until eventually we're all standing together… on the same side. Infighting between civilized nations who share values (like human rights and the right to self determination), only serves to benefit the true enemies of human kind (those who don't). The politics as usual power struggle both domestically and internationally should be set completely aside when addressing the A-holes like Saddam. Too often we're like parents bickering at a PTA meeting while the kids are off bangin and smokin crack. Differences between Parties… or between European nations and the United States should be too minor to interfere with addressing the mass murdering monsters of the world. That's a sh!tty issue to play politics with.

I'm sorry you're that cynical about the military, too, FreeDuck. Saying you haven't seen the U.S. military act for humanitarian reasons strikes me as borderline obscene. You must subscribe to an idealism that says force is NEVER acceptable. Who do you think does most of the heavy hitting in UN peacekeeping missions? Did you really have a problem with the first Gulf War? Did you miss the reports about the USS Abraham Lincoln and a dozen other ships, along with thousands of troops chipping in after the Tsunami? I just don't get it. How do you decide to be against something you freely admit you probably don't understand?

A thought on the apparent incipient rapprochements ... 4th Quarter and Full Year import/export figures are complete. Some folks would prefer to see The US buyin' more of their goods than recently has been the trend.