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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2005 11:51 am
I remember a Sheriff in Maricopa County Arizona who subjected his prisoners to Rush Limbaugh tapes. I think that's a better idea. You are incpable of appreciating humor when depressed, but it's really hard to be depressed if you're really mad or really inspired.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2005 09:46 pm
Ok, I can't let this day go by without saying how proud I am of our newly confirmed Secretary of State!

I admire this woman like no other, and as The Most Powerful Woman in the World, I think she will serve with a grace and intelligence that will win her the hearts, minds and most importantly, the respect of this and many, many other nations.

So, let's all do the happy dance for Dr. Condoleezza Rice!

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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2005 10:54 pm
Yay Condi

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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2005 11:12 pm
JustWonders wrote:
So, let's all do the happy dance for Dr. Condoleezza Rice!

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I didn't think she was all that impressive until after they surrounded her with torches and lit the pyres. The woman wouldn't burn! She faced down the hardest hitters and hardly batted an eye. In the end, she outclassed the 13 fools who insisted on wasting time running their mouths in exchange for face time… despite the crystal clarity that they were irrelevant. The idiots should have been doing something more useful… and hopefully the voters took notice. In the mean time… they increased my confidence in Dr. Rice if only because they couldn't rattle her with their inanities. Why yes… I will dance. (Joins JW and Foxy)
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 06:38 am
You guys could, as an option, take up the fiddle.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 07:15 am
Tico:-

Super game last night.Electric!Chelsea 2 Man U 1.
Despair and disgruntlement.West End ponces coming here and stuffing us.Revenge is planned but that Russian billionaire has bought himself an incredible toy.£200 million he has invested.Lives here too.There's big politics in soccer.Some commentators reckon Wilson's election was due to us winning the World Cup.

I've watched your big stuff and I'm sorry to say it doesn't compare.I often wonder why.

The first thing that comes out is "class".Our sport is mainly an alliance,often a little uneasy,between the upper and lower orders.The middle class are often to be heard expressing distaste for sport.That might be due to hatred of talent and breeding.The middle class are mainly greased into their positions by their Mums and Dads.They never stop agitating for the banning of fox hunting and hare coursing which is where the alliance is most obvious.To an outsider your sport looks middle class.More a social occasion like opera used to be in Paris.A place to be seen.

Another thing about basketball,football (yours) and baseball is that there's no international competition to speak of.So you never have to face up nationally to getting done over.Athletics is too diffused.Everybody wins at something in that.This is typically middle class.Fear of comparison.I seem to remember you once sent a horse to win the Grand National but I can't recall an American Cleltenham Gold Cup winner.Anybody in the world who has a horse with a chance in those races will send it over.

It pains me to see a great nation like yours defaulting on international competition in soccer and cricket.You must have the capacity to be as good as Australia at cricket and it is just a giant loss.If you were serious players in Test Match cricket we would be over the Titan.If ever you want to experience sport at its best and commentary unexampled anywhere just tune up for the Australia/England Test series next summer.
5 days of 8 hours for one Test match and it is best out of five in different arenas.Its hallucinatory.Anybody who says it is boring is telling you something about themselves.Canada played in the last cricket World Cup and performed better than we all thought they would.

Sport is a force for unification.It forced apartheid out of South Africa.Powerful leaders want to be at big events and they have to shape up to be accepted.By shape up I mean be seen to be moving towards our ways of life and avoiding having shameful news stories on their heads.

The US should admit being out of the loop and get going doing something about it.Just imagine Mr Bush being squirted with champagne after the US won the soccer World Cup with a disputed but brilliant injury time lone goal.He'd love it.You must have dozens of Peles and Beckhams & Co being wasted.You would be up to speed in 20 years at the most.China will be.

How's that for politics fellow workers?

spendius.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 08:22 am
You don't have to scratch too deeply to find an enormous reservoir of left-wing bias.source
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 09:16 am
Spendius,

Sounds like a great match last night. Chelsea continues on..... Did Howard play in goal for MU?

American fans can certainly get involved in sports, but I don't think it comes close to the rabid fans in your country (and others). Soccer is fiercely national in many places, but merely lukewarm to cool here. I believe it's gaining popularity, and of late, our boys have done a fine job representing the US in international play. Where we used to not be contenders, we have recently turned things around.

There is no international competition in American Football. There is international competition in baseball and basketball, though not on the level of soccer. I'm afraid if the US put its best professional players on the court/field and was serious about an international match, there is no other country that could compete with us in either sport. But it's a testament to your comments that the US does not really devote the time and attention to these international competitions (say the Olympics or Goodwill Games). Many high level professional players will sit out the competition, preferring to do something else, or perhaps not risk injury. Quite the opposite with the World Cup competition, eh?

Cricket, however, has no chance in this country -- at least not for many, many years. It may be played in the US in some areas, but I'm not aware of it. As a rule, we Americans don't understand the game, and don't want to.

I would tell you to keep your eye on the US in future soccer competitions. We do have some very good talent, and the National Team has been progressing very well.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 10:11 am
Tico:-

Yep.Howard did play.He brought off two super saves and was more or less helpless with the two goals.He was highly thought of last season but has been less favoured this.Chelsea have the two best goalkeepers in their squad.

It was a mid field game in the main and it has to be admitted that it was a fair result.Chelse go through to play Liverpool in the final at Cardiff.We await the rebuilding of Wembley.

As for cricket.That is the ultimate game.It takes years to gain an insight into its innards.It is claimed to be impossible to explain but it does have everything.I can well see that Americans would find it boring.I think the best way to understand it is to use it as a betting medium.We have "spread" betting here.I don't think you do yet.That is very similar to the stock market.You buy or sell performances with a broker's cut.If England are going into bat the bookies put a score up on the teletext of,say,390-410.You can buy England runs at 410 or sell them at 390.It is hair raising.If you buy at 410 @ £2 a run you owe the bookie £820 when they start and every run they get reduces that by £2 until they get to 410,if they do,after which the bookie starts owing you at the same rate.They bet on your football and baseball in a similar fashion.What it adds up to is that interest never stops.This betting method is being called into question because with it you can bet to lose and that is new.Corrupt jockeys used to have to fix all the other runners when they could only bet to win but now with this they only need fix their own.I have been told that staff at the American Embassy in London are besotted with spread betting.
If it isn't too expensive I'd get wired up to the next few weeks soccer in Europe.The climax of the season is upcoming.You could video the games and use them to improve the fortunes of your team.The world's best will be on view in both soccer and TV coverage.The cricket might come in free with it.I'll bet that the managers of your best teams will be viewing.
Brad Friedel is Blackburn's goalie.There are lucrative careers over here for talented players from anywhere and your men don't have language problems.Once you got to 15-20 players in Euro premier leagues you would be there.That's all it takes.The US in the final of the World Cup and watch it take off.Like a brushfire.There's fortunes to be made like there was in railroads once.

spendius.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 10:14 am
JustWonders wrote:

I admire this woman like no other, and as The Most Powerful Woman in the World, I think she will serve with a grace and intelligence that will win her the hearts, minds and most importantly, the respect of this and many, many other nations.

So, let's all do the happy dance for Dr. Condoleezza Rice!




I agree 100% abour Dr. Rice, but what about Barbara Boxer? What does the future hold for her??

Does Ringling Brothers hire women as sad clowns?

What about some Russian Circus?

Any chance Howard Stern might could use her?

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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 10:26 am
Nice as Ms Rice is and clever too there are many alternatives.You can't say that about David Beckham.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 10:34 am
Gunga .... Laughing

Spendius .... You're mixing soccer and politics ... again..... Laughing
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 10:46 am
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Self-indulgence
Thomas Sowell
January 27, 2005

The enraged speeches and street disorders across the country that accompanied the inauguration of President Bush may tell us more than we want to know about what is happening to this country.

The media dignify these outbursts by calling them "protests" but what are they protesting?

That they lost the election? Doesn't somebody always lose an election? Did the Republicans take to the streets when Bill Clinton was elected?

Are the shouters and the rioters protesting that they disagree with President Bush's policies? Isn't that why we hold elections in the first place -- because people disagree?

Elections are supposed to be an alternative to other ways of settling political differences, including riots, military coups and dictatorships. But riots have been re-christened "demonstrations" by the mealy-mouth media.

What are these "demonstrations" demonstrating -- other than adolescent self-indulgence and contempt for the rights of other people to go about their lives without finding their streets clogged with hooligans and the air filled with obscenities?

The irony is that many of those who are indulging themselves in these strident orgies are the same people who were telling us to "get over it" and "move on" during President Clinton's scandals. Today the liberal MoveOn.org is the last place where people are willing to move on.

While this is overwhelmingly a phenomenon of the political left, the increasing acceptance of irresponsible behavior -- including vandalism and violence -- as a normal part of our public discourse says something about what is happening to this country as a whole.

Not only is there a growing class of people for whom indignation is a way of life, their sophomoric slogans are taken seriously by people who should know better. Moreover, their disruptions of the lives of ordinary people are accepted as if such things were nothing more than free speech.

The media even give rioters free air time in exchange for providing them with a spectacle to broadcast and liven up their news programs. The taxpayers who foot the bill for mob control seldom rate a mention. Neither do the police who get injured trying to keep hoodlums in check.

This may be some people's idea of a healthy democracy but it is more of a sign of a spreading sickness in a society too wimpish to insist that law and order matter and too mushy-minded to see that self-indulgence at other people's expense is not idealism.

If we were a little more clear-headed, these organized disruptions could be a valuable lesson in what the political left really believes in and what kind of world they would create if they ever get the kind of power they are seeking.

First of all, the left does not accept the proposition that other people have just as many rights as they do. This is obvious not only in the disorder and vandalism they inflict in the streets but also their intolerance on academic campuses across the country, where students who question the party line are hemmed in by speech codes and ridiculed and intimidated by professors who do not hesitate to punish them with low grades.

Ask any environmental extremist if people who don't care about preserving swamps ("wetlands") have the same rights under the Constitution that the people in the green movement have. Gay activists who demand tolerance and sensitivity from others do not hesitate to include in their parades insulting skits mocking nuns and others in the Catholic Church.

When pro-life demonstrators tried to hold a peaceful march in San Francisco on January 22, the anniversary of Roe v. Wade, a pro-abortion crowd not only followed them, shouting to drown them out and hurling insults at them, some sat down in their path to block the march and force them to detour.

We are seeing the ugly face of intolerance under the idealistic pretense of protest. We need to recognize it for what it is, even if the media refuse to do so. Above all, we need to see it as a warning of where our society is headed. Whether at home or abroad, if political conflicts are reduced to contests between the wimps and the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 11:07 am
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 11:15 am
McG... Laughing (noticed the calendar date)


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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 12:37 pm
Tico posted
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What are these "demonstrations" demonstrating -- other than adolescent self-indulgence and contempt for the rights of other people to go about their lives without finding their streets clogged with hooligans and the air filled with obscenities?

The irony is that many of those who are indulging themselves in these strident orgies are the same people who were telling us to "get over it" and "move on" during President Clinton's scandals. Today the liberal MoveOn.org is the last place where people are willing to move on


This says it all. And I think it is why the GOP, despite some classic ineptitude and fuzzy policies, continues to make gains. At least the GOP for the most part knows how to act like grown ups. I can't imagine any thinking people would not view these 'demonstrations' as anything other than as childish and with contempt.

The unbelievable scene of Barbara Boxer, John Kerry, and Ted Kennedy (and a few others) spouting their sour-grapes and infantile garbage at Condoleeza Rice's sentate hearing did nothing but make the Democrats look mean and childish, but they provide great PR ammunition for the GOP. You'd think they'd learn.

If the Democrats ever get back to the basics and sensisble policy and mindset that seem to be understood by the Joe Liebermans and few others in their party, along with fiscal responsibility and progressiveness based on common sense rather than one-upmanship, there is no way the GOP could beat them.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 12:54 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
JustWonders wrote:
So, let's all do the happy dance for Dr. Condoleezza Rice!

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the 13 fools who insisted on wasting time running their mouths in exchange for face time… despite the crystal clarity that they were irrelevant. The idiots should have been doing something more useful… and hopefully the voters took notice.


well guys...

the "13 fools", as you call them, are representitives of a constituancy. if their constituants are of the opinion that dr. rice is not the right person for the position, it is the representitive's job to voice that opinion.

maybe they said things that you disagree with, or maybe don't care to hear, but they didn't waste time.

unless, you also think that it was wasted time as representitives also took turns retelling dr. rice's biography and heaping praise on her name.

d e m o c r a c y
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 01:10 pm
DTOM...being an optimist, I always try to look at the bright side of any situation. A friend of mine who lives in Indiana called Sen. Bayh's office yesterday to say how displeased he was with the Senator's vote on Dr. Rice's confirmation. I'm sure many other Americans did the same.

The really bright side of this situation is that ALL of America saw the farce presented by Boxer/Biden/Kennedy, et al, and that farce only showed them to be stupid, petty and mean.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 01:15 pm
DTOM writes
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maybe they said things that you disagree with, or maybe don't care to hear, but they didn't waste time.


Did you listen in on any of the hearings? I have no problem whatsoever with the loyal opposition asking tough pertinent questions and challenging policy as well they should if they disagree with it. The biographies at least were pertinent. There is no way in hell you can convince me that the hateful rhetoric, unsubstantiated charges, and ad hominems that Kennedy, Boxer et al were throwing at Condi were in any way pertinent and anything other than contemptuous.

If anybody on the GOP side treated a potential appointee that way, I would be registering the identical complaint. There is no way it can be justified.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 01:19 pm
Did any of you actually follow the hearings on C-Span by any chance? I especially liked the friendliness of the Republicans in the hearing as they assured John Kerry how very happy they were to have him back in the Senate. Honi soit qui mal y pense ...
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