Bush supporters' aftermath thread

Did any of you actually follow the hearings on C-Span by any chance? I especially liked the friendliness of the Republicans in the hearing as they assured John Kerry how very happy they were to have him back in the Senate. Honi soit qui mal y pense ...

..the "13 fools", as you call them, are representitives of a constituancy...

the "13 fools", as you call them, are representitives of a constituancy. if their constituants are of the opinion that dr. rice is not the right person for the position, it is the representitive's job to voice that opinion.

maybe they said things that you disagree with, or maybe don't care to hear, but they didn't waste time.

unless, you also think that it was wasted time as representitives also took turns retelling dr. rice's biography and heaping praise on her name.

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Did any of you actually follow the hearings on C-Span by any chance? I especially liked the friendliness of the Republicans in the hearing as they assured John Kerry how very happy they were to have him back in the Senate. Honi soit qui mal y pense ...

DTOM writes

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maybe they said things that you disagree with, or maybe don't care to hear, but they didn't waste time.

Foxfyre wrote:

Did you listen in on any of the hearings?

i did. i picked up a cold or something at a convention i attended last weekend, so i've been layabout for days, and i saw and heard nearly the whole first day. (get a life, dtom!!!).

for the most part it was a real dog and pony show. but, frankly, there are a lot of people that really don't like condi rice. some more than others. some are even quite angry. all views need to be represented in our democracy. everybody got their shot, pro and con.

Foxfyre wrote:

If anybody on the GOP side treated a potential appointee that way, I would be registering the identical complaint. There is no way it can be justified.

well foxy, i'm sure that the spectacle was not an isolated incident. just a very public one. after all, politicians were involved. things are going to be partisan on this type of issue. everybody knew that she would be passed anyway.

i'm not a huge fan, but i'm curious to see how she does.

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

..the "13 fools", as you call them, are representitives of a constituancy...

this kind of stuff is really all you have isn't it ?

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

the "13 fools", as you call them, are representitives of a constituancy. if their constituants are of the opinion that dr. rice is not the right person for the position, it is the representitive's job to voice that opinion.

DTOM, the woman would have been serving the country this week if they could have been satisfied with their BS last week. Not one of them thought for even a second they would be able to block the nomination. I believe each even said as much as they spoke. There are plenty of issues, that aren't forgone conclusions, that they could have worked on instead… if only they cared half as much about doing their jobs as they do about being filmed doing it.

you may be right o'bill. but, i didn't notice lugar or the the other republicans turning from the camera or putting on a ski mask either. all politicians love to be seen, don't they?

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

maybe they said things that you disagree with, or maybe don't care to hear, but they didn't waste time.

It isn't that I disagreed... it's that there was ZERO chance of altering the fore drawn conclusion, and everyone there knew it.

nope. zero chance is an understatement. but still, everyone felt that they needed to get their views "on the record". i don't have a problem with that.

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

unless, you also think that it was wasted time as representitives also took turns retelling dr. rice's biography and heaping praise on her name.

Absolutely. Though, it should be said, in case anyone doesn't know that the only reason there were hearings for them to rebut at is because the 2 fools requested EXTRA time to waste in the first place. It was vividly clear grandstanding with (and I can't emphasize this enough) ZERO chance of changing the outcome. This type of hyper partisan idiocy IS the reason the party is slipping. Though I doubt Mass will ever pull it's head out it's collective a$$, anyway.

umm, like i said above.

you may be right also about the hyper-partisanship issue. but to be fair, it seems to me that the same type of hyper-partisanship has also been in play to the benefit of the republican party.

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

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Faulty invocation. The Democrats backing Rice, alone, outnumbered the 13 fools without any help from the Republicans at all. Wasting this much time to bring an 85-13 vote should be a matter of shame to the constituents who vote for these fools.

so, are you saying to me that the only voices deserving a place in democracy are those of the majority ?


There are better things to do.

like getting that constitutional amendment banning gay marriage?

FreeDuck: Good on you to recognize this foolishness for what it is. Btw, while no one made a bigger a$$ of themselves than Boxer, Kerry and Kennedy fought a very spirited battle for second.

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

this kind of stuff is really all you have isn't it ?

YOU're the one who mentioned Barbara Boxer's "constituency"...

well foxy, i'm sure that the spectacle was not an isolated incident. just a very public one. after all, politicians were involved. things are going to be partisan on this type of issue. everybody knew that she would be passed anyway.

Dtom wrote

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well foxy, i'm sure that the spectacle was not an isolated incident. just a very public one. after all, politicians were involved. things are going to be partisan on this type of issue. everybody knew that she would be passed anyway.

One can be partisan without being boorish, infantile, stupid, cruel, and attempting to usurp the orderly and lawful transfer of power. Boxer, kennedy, Biden and a few others, however, were all of that. When the good Democrats--and there a lot of them out there--decide to take their party back, they will start putting people back into office who are not an embarrassment. At that time the GOP better worry bigtime.

I don't know. While I agree at least that Boxer made me flinch, I thought all of the scraping and bowing and drooling over Condi done by the Republicans was also embarrassing. If pointless rhetorical attacks are infantile and stupid, so are pointless rhetorical fawnings.

But in general, I agree that the whole scene was a farce.

<edit> What DTOM said.

Hiya, DTOM. Things are just ducky in duckland! How are things in the land of the terminator?

so, are you saying to me that the only voices deserving a place in democracy are those of the majority ?

There isn't anybody in the United States of America who doesn't admire Dr. Rice for the journey she's made, for what she represents. And is she qualified for the job? Absolutely. Of course she is, absolutely qualified.