Bush supporters' aftermath thread

Tico,

McTag said:

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should we be blowing up occupied buildings in the hope of killing some of them?

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JustWonders wrote:

I may have to give George Clooney a great big ole KISS

....if this is true.

Clooney thinks to much of himself.

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snood wrote:

Tico,

McTag said:

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should we be blowing up occupied buildings in the hope of killing some of them?

And what Tico's post indicated is that the terrorists were noted and identified prior to the attack. Further, all indications are is that it was at least in part Pakistani intelligence that identified them.

A better question is, what responsibility does any country have in a time of war to verify that there are no civilians in the line of fire before we shoot? Do the terrorists do that? Or shall we allow the terrorists to be forever immune to any reprisals or retaliation by hiding themselves among civilians?

There are no easy answers when war is conducted and, to the best of my knowledge, there has never been a war in which innocents have not been injured or killed. That we do our very best to minimize harm to innocents, however, testifies to the kind of people we are. That the terrorists do not testifies to the kind of people they are.

And it is a virtual certainty that if we fold up our tents and cease hostilities, they will not follow suit as it is not our hostilities to which they object.

It is so easy to criticize and condemn. It is far more difficult to chart and execute a course of action in the face of pure evil.

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Foxfyre wrote:

A better question is, what responsibility does any country have in a time of war to verify that there are no civilians in the line of fire before we shoot? Do the terrorists do that? Or shall we allow the terrorists to be forever immune to any reprisals or retaliation by hiding themselves among civilians?

As fa r as I remember, the US sees Pakistan as a key ally in its "war on terror" and are not in war with them.

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Pakistan has one foot in and the other out.

Musharref has to behave a bit like Saudi--a bad trend--and rattle his sabre at us for the crowd, while pocketing our money, and enjoying our support. AQ and OBL are likely in sensitive Afghan/Paki locales, and we are negotiating access without getting Mushy overthrown.

A bad deal, but the only one possible, it seems, for the moment.

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Lash wrote:

Pakistan has one foot in and the other out.

Musharref has to behave a bit like Saudi--a bad trend--and rattle his sabre at us for the crowd, while pocketing our money, and enjoying our support. AQ and OBL are likely in sensitive Afghan/Paki locales, and we are negotiating access without getting Mushy overthrown.

A bad deal, but the only one possible, it seems, for the moment.

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MR. McCLELLAN:
In terms of the cooperation with Pakistan, we have good cooperation with Pakistan in the global war on terrorism. We appreciate all that they're doing to help us track down al Qaeda leaders and Taliban remnants, particularly along that border region with Afghanistan. And so we appreciate the work that they're doing.

source: Office of the Press Secretary, June 20, 2005

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"Pakistan is a valued ally in the war on terrorism. We work closely with Pakistan and others to go after al Qaeda and bring their leaders to justice. We will continue to do so," he [ White House spokesman Scott McClellan ] said.

source reuters, 3 hours ago

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Do you have any comment to go along with that?

The public face we put on our relationship with Pakistan/Musharref is positive. The reality is a bit more complicated.

You don't think so?

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snood wrote:

Tico,

McTag said:

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should we be blowing up occupied buildings in the hope of killing some of them?

Thanks.

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Well, I'm just wondering what is done to an key ally.

An ally, who has nuclear weapons, and whose citizens are not at all behind what the government re the USA and how it behaves.

Are the US provoking a civil war in Pakistan? Do they consider any ally like this (e.g. would they bomb the UK as well?)?

Nothing really as an input here. But you asked.

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Well, I'm actually grateful to know what you were thinking.

I think our position would be that if they are allies in the war against terrorism--and they knew Zawahiri (?) was in strike range, they would support our strike.

It wasn't against governmental entities of Pakistan, but against the #2 terrorist in the world.

Paki would have a difficult time convincing us they are anti-terrorist allies, who are mad about us killing the #2 terrorist in the world. Their sovereingty is an issue--but that strike was meant to benefit the world.

Of course, the fact that we killed some civilians (did they all have terrorist links?) may muddy the diplomatic water...

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I may be late with this, but now Pakistan says that at least five of the dead were foreign terrorists. Hmm. So it wasn't just women and children after all....

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Lash wrote:

Of course, the fact that we killed some civilians (did they all have terrorist links?) may muddy the diplomatic water...

Well, if you believe in the liability of all the members of a family for the possible crimes of one member or of a friend or a visitor of the family: yes. Especially the children.

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cjhsa wrote:

I may be late with this, but now Pakistan says that at least five of the dead were foreign terrorists. Hmm. So it wasn't just women and children after all....

OK, so ... If Dick Cheney and four aides are invited to an Americans house for dinner and they have family, children, grandchildren present, it's acceptable for an enemy to bomb the house taking out 12 members of the family ?? That would be an acceptable target to you??

Anon

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cjhsa wrote:

I may be late with this, but now Pakistan says that at least five of the dead were foreign terrorists. Hmm. So it wasn't just women and children after all....

You are correct: those foreigners and the totally neglectable 18 local aborigines.

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Anon-Voter wrote:

cjhsa wrote:
I may be late with this, but now Pakistan says that at least five of the dead were foreign terrorists. Hmm. So it wasn't just women and children after all....

OK, so ... If Dick Cheney and four aides are invited to an Americans house for dinner and they have family, children, grandchildren present, it's acceptable for an enemy to bomb the house taking out 12 members of the family ?? That would be an acceptable target to you??

Anon

You're seriously asking whether cjhsa would think Cheney, et al. would be an acceptable target? Shocked

Whaddayathink he is ... a Democrat?

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

A better question is, what responsibility does any country have in a time of war to verify that there are no civilians in the line of fire before we shoot? Do the terrorists do that? Or shall we allow the terrorists to be forever immune to any reprisals or retaliation by hiding themselves among civilians?

As fa r as I remember, the US sees Pakistan as a key ally in its "war on terror" and are not in war with them.

You keep ignoring the part where it was at least partly Pakistani intelligence that pointed to those houses that were bombed.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Anon-Voter wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
I may be late with this, but now Pakistan says that at least five of the dead were foreign terrorists. Hmm. So it wasn't just women and children after all....

OK, so ... If Dick Cheney and four aides are invited to an Americans house for dinner and they have family, children, grandchildren present, it's acceptable for an enemy to bomb the house taking out 12 members of the family ?? That would be an acceptable target to you??

Anon

You're seriously asking whether cjhsa would think Cheney, et al. would be an acceptable target?

Whaddayathink he is ... a Democrat?

Does anybody in their wildest imagination think that Dick Cheney would enganger his wife/children/grandchildren or any other civilian by entertaining international terrorists in his home?

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Ticomaya wrote:

Anon-Voter wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
I may be late with this, but now Pakistan says that at least five of the dead were foreign terrorists. Hmm. So it wasn't just women and children after all....

OK, so ... If Dick Cheney and four aides are invited to an Americans house for dinner and they have family, children, grandchildren present, it's acceptable for an enemy to bomb the house taking out 12 members of the family ?? That would be an acceptable target to you??

Anon

You're seriously asking whether cjhsa would think Cheney, et al. would be an acceptable target?

Whaddayathink he is ... a Democrat?

AlQueda considers themelves to be at war with us, and we have reciprocated and declared war on them.

We claim it is a viable target to knock out the #2 man of our enemy by hitting a civilian target. I just changed the circimstances to our #2 man. Is is a viable target to hit Cheney if he is in a civilian home with women and children. Matter of fact the ratio was 4 terrorists killed for 13 civilians.

My question is ... should we consider that a viable target?

I know you were trying to be cute when you replied to the question, but the question remains.

Anon

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Foxfyre wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
Anon-Voter wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
I may be late with this, but now Pakistan says that at least five of the dead were foreign terrorists. Hmm. So it wasn't just women and children after all....

OK, so ... If Dick Cheney and four aides are invited to an Americans house for dinner and they have family, children, grandchildren present, it's acceptable for an enemy to bomb the house taking out 12 members of the family ?? That would be an acceptable target to you??

Anon

You're seriously asking whether cjhsa would think Cheney, et al. would be an acceptable target?

Whaddayathink he is ... a Democrat?

Does anybody in their wildest imagination think that Dick Cheney would enganger his wife/children/grandchildren or any other civilian by entertaining international terrorists in his home?

For AlQueda, Cheney is a terrorist!!

Anon

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Foxfyre wrote:

Does anybody in their wildest imagination think that Dick Cheney would enganger his wife/children/grandchildren or any other civilian by entertaining international terrorists in his home?

George and Laura have never been to the Cheneys? :wink:

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