Bush supporters' aftermath thread

A couple of days back, Tico and fox siad that those who don't contribute positive should post on other threads.
Something like that.

And I admit that this is a valuable opinion: there must be somewhere here a reservation for US-royalists :wink:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

As a reminder, rap music, scary suggestions, and embarrassment is not what most people define as torture.

Well, not, if someone wants to listen to such music etc voluntarily. (Actually, it was music by Eminem and Dr. Dre for 20 days before the music was replaced by horrible ghost laughter and Halloween sounds.)

The International Committee of the Red Cross found this to be "cruel, inhumane and degrading" treatment of detainees.

Well, I would certainly think so if I had to listen to Eminem for one day, let alone 20. It would be most unpleasant and uncomfortable. But it is not torture as most people define torture.

Foxfyre wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

As a reminder, rap music, scary suggestions, and embarrassment is not what most people define as torture.

Well, not, if someone wants to listen to such music etc voluntarily. (Actually, it was music by Eminem and Dr. Dre for 20 days before the music was replaced by horrible ghost laughter and Halloween sounds.)

The International Committee of the Red Cross found this to be "cruel, inhumane and degrading" treatment of detainees.

Well, I would certainly think so if I had to listen to Eminem for one day, let alone 20. It would be most unpleasant and uncomfortable. But it is not torture as most people define torture.

Well, if this is the case I'm familiar with, there was also the bit about being chained to a wall in the complete darkness for days, being given filthy water to drink, and being beaten. Still not torture?

ight detainees now held at Guantánamo described to their attorneys how they were held at a facility near Kabul at various times between 2002 and 2004. The detainees, who called the facility the "dark prison" or "prison of darkness," said they were chained to walls, deprived of food and drinking water, and kept in total darkness with loud rap, heavy metal music, or other sounds blared for weeks at a time.

The detainees said U.S. interrogators slapped or punched them during interrogations. They described being held in complete darkness for weeks on end, shackled to rings bolted into the walls of their cells, with loud music or other sounds played continuously. Some detainees said they were shackled in a manner that made it impossible to lie down or sleep, with restraints that caused their hands and wrists to swell up or bruise. The detainees said they were deprived of food for days at a time, and given only filthy water to drink.

FreeDuck wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

As a reminder, rap music, scary suggestions, and embarrassment is not what most people define as torture.

Well, not, if someone wants to listen to such music etc voluntarily. (Actually, it was music by Eminem and Dr. Dre for 20 days before the music was replaced by horrible ghost laughter and Halloween sounds.)

The International Committee of the Red Cross found this to be "cruel, inhumane and degrading" treatment of detainees.

Well, I would certainly think so if I had to listen to Eminem for one day, let alone 20. It would be most unpleasant and uncomfortable. But it is not torture as most people define torture.

Well, if this is the case I'm familiar with, there was also the bit about being chained to a wall in the complete darkness for days, being given filthy water to drink, and being beaten. Still not torture?

I don't think anything at all was mentioned about being chained to a wall or beaten.

A couple of days back, Tico and fox siad that those who don't contribute positive should post on other threads.
Something like that.

Foxfyre wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

As a reminder, rap music, scary suggestions, and embarrassment is not what most people define as torture.

Well, not, if someone wants to listen to such music etc voluntarily. (Actually, it was music by Eminem and Dr. Dre for 20 days before the music was replaced by horrible ghost laughter and Halloween sounds.)

The International Committee of the Red Cross found this to be "cruel, inhumane and degrading" treatment of detainees.

Well, I would certainly think so if I had to listen to Eminem for one day, let alone 20. It would be most unpleasant and uncomfortable. But it is not torture as most people define torture.

Well, if this is the case I'm familiar with, there was also the bit about being chained to a wall in the complete darkness for days, being given filthy water to drink, and being beaten. Still not torture?

I don't think anything at all was mentioned about being chained to a wall or beaten.

So when you said having to listen to rap music wasn't torture, you meant that hypothetical nonexistant situation where US interogators played Eminem while detainees tried to get some sleep on their otherwise comfy beds in comfy cells with well-fed tummys?

FreeDuck wrote:

So when you said having to listen to rap music wasn't torture, you meant that hypothetical nonexistant situation where US interogators played Eminem while detainees tried to get some sleep on their otherwise comfy beds in comfy cells with well-fed tummys?

No, I meant that playing rap music to detainees is not torture. To infer that it is seriously trivializes what is real torture. Most intelligent people actually can tell the difference.

Foxfyre wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

So when you said having to listen to rap music wasn't torture, you meant that hypothetical nonexistant situation where US interogators played Eminem while detainees tried to get some sleep on their otherwise comfy beds in comfy cells with well-fed tummys?

No, I meant that playing rap music to detainees is not torture. To infer that it is seriously trivializes what is real torture. Most intelligent people actually can tell the difference.

Yes, but that implies that someone actually said that playing rap music to detainees is torture. We could talk all day long about what is not torture. Scratching my ass is not torture. Brushing my teeth? Not torture. Making fun of your momma? Not torture. Your turn.

Isn't it more likely that someone read the human rights watch report and trivialized the actual torture that was done by saying that "playing rap music to detainees isn't torture" thereby setting off an argument on something that would surely take the emphasis off of the fact that prisoners in Afghanistan were tortured by us.

Of course some ignoramuses are saying that playing rap music is torture. Some say that if you don't give detainees better food than our military or most Americans get, it is torture. Some say if you don't change their linens daily or not providing the size pillow they want is torture.

But in the interest of common sense, none of these things is torture. To say they are trivializes what is real torture. John McCain can tell you what real torture is and rap music wouldn't make it. Dan Johnson can tell you what real torture is and rap music wouldn't make it.

Welcome to A2K StSimon, but you might try staying on topic here. The discussion is on what is NOT torture, not what is. Only a few of the more fanatical have any problem defining torture.