Bush supporters' aftermath thread

I do not know what Angus Reid Global Scan as presented by nimh is and I doubt it is valid.

nimh wrote:

Americans: Iraq War a Mistake, Bush has No Victory Plan

(Angus Reid Global Scan) - More adults in the United States believe their federal administration was wrong in launching the coalition effort, according to a poll by Gallup released by CNN and USA Today. 52 per cent of respondents think the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, up four points in a week.

With almost nothing in the media except doom and gloom re Iraq, with the Democrats using their bully pulpits every day to condemn the effort, with almost none of the plentiful good news reported, it is no wonder that the American people were tricked into believing it was a lost cause.

Since President Bush has been making a steady string of responses to all this, however, these numbers have significantly swung back into more support for both the effort and more optimism in the prospects for success. If the President keeps it up, I think we will see that trend continue.

Foxfyre wrote:

Welcome to A2K StSimon, but you might try staying on topic here. The discussion is on what is NOT torture, not what is. Only a few of the more fanatical have any problem defining torture.

Sorry Fox, I thought I was responding to your statements.

Foxfyre wrote:

Of course some ignoramuses are saying that playing rap music is torture. Some say that if you don't give detainees better food than our military or most Americans get, it is torture. Some say if you don't change their linens daily or not providing the size pillow they want is torture.

Is somebody really saying that? Really? Or are you trivializing legitimate complaints by saying that people think that something as absurd as this is torture?

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But in the interest of common sense, none of these things is torture. To say they are trivializes what is real torture. John McCain can tell you what real torture is and rap music wouldn't make it. Dan Johnson can tell you what real torture is and rap music wouldn't make it.

But when you say this, it's as if you believe that somewhere somebody is claiming they were tortured when they were only made to listen to rap music. When in reality the rap music claim is made in conjunction with other claims that, when taken together, do constitute torture. It's a straw man. If I said, those who say that being made to eat snow balls is torture trivializes true torture. Is it true? Sure. Do such people exist? No.

"I was having a civil discussion"

Really?

I assume( and please correct me if I am not right) that Walter Hinteler is Caucasian. I am also Caucasian.

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I dare say that Walter Hinteler never worked in the inner cities of several cities as I have and has never seen several full garbage cans taken away from schools filled with the "vegetables" that the STARVING CHILDREN do not eat.

Caucasian is a racial classification. I hope you know that, Walter Hinteler.

race: the idea that the human species is divided into distinct groups on the basis of inherited physical and behavioral differences. Genetic studies in the late 20th century denied the existence of biogenetically distinct races, and scholars now argue that "races" are cultural interventions reflecting specific attitudes and beliefs that were imposed on different populations in the wake of western European conquests beginning in the 15th century.

The Department of Homeland Security was only a month old, and already it had an image problem.

It was April 2003, and Susan Neely, a close aide to DHS Secretary Tom Ridge, decided the gargantuan new conglomeration of 22 federal agencies had to stand for something more than multicolored threat levels. It needed an identity -- not the "flavor of the day in terms of brand chic," as Neely put it, but something meant to last.

So she called in the branders.

Neely hired Landor Associates, the same company that invented the FedEx name and the BP sunflower, and together they began to rebrand a behemoth Landor described in a confidential briefing as a "disparate organization with a lack of focus." They developed a new DHS typeface (Joanna, with modifications) and color scheme (cool gray, red and hints of "punched-up" blue). They debated new uniforms for its armies of agents and focus-group-tested a new seal designed to convey "strength" and "gravitas." The department even got its own lapel pin, which was given to all 180,000 of its employees -- with Ridge's signature -- to celebrate its "brand launch" that June.

"It's got to have its own story," Neely explained.

Nearly three years after it was created in the largest government reorganization since the Department of Defense, DHS does have a story, but so far it is one of haphazard design, bureaucratic warfare and unfulfilled promises. The department's first significant test -- its response to Hurricane Katrina in August -- exposed a troubled organization where preparedness was more slogan than mission

David H. Brooks, the chief executive of a company that supplies body armor to the American military in Iraq, invited 150 of his daughter's friends to the Rainbow Room atop Rockefeller Center in Manhattan, where they were serenaded by 50 Cent, Don Henley, Stevie Nicks and other luminaries during a birthday party reported to have cost $10 million.

The term Caucasian race is used almost exclusively in the United States to refer to people whose ancestry can be traced back to Europe, North Africa, West Asia, South Asia and parts of Central Asia. It was once considered a useful taxonomical categorization of human racial groups based on a presumed common geographic and/or linguistic origin.

In the United States, it is currently used primarily as a distinction loosely based on skin color alone for a group commonly refered to as Whites, as defined by the American government and census bureau. In the British Isles, "Caucasian" follows the North American definition, but in continental Europe, "Caucasian" currently refers almost exclusively to people who are from the Caucasus.

The term itself derives from measurements in craniology from the 19th century, and its name stems from the region of the Caucasus mountains, itself imagined to be the location from which Noah's son Japheth, traditional Biblical ancestor of the Europeans, established his tribe prior to its supposed migration into Europe.

Caucasoid is a term used in physical anthropology to refer to people falling within a certain range of anthropometric measurements.

In New Zealand the term Caucasian is used most frequently in police offender descriptions. Pākehā, European New Zealander, or simply New Zealander (although in theory this should include all New Zealanders) is more common in general language

So sue me.