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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 11:36 am
JustWonders wrote:

In the meantime, 500 layoffs with more to come - good news indeed.


Shocked
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 11:55 am
It is good news Walter. It just might be the wakeup call that the media needs to report all the news from all perspectives instead of feeding their own ideological biases. Those that are doing that are steadily improving their market share. Those that don't will almost certainly face more layoffs.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 11:58 am
Don't act so shocked, Walter. This is good news, considering the NYTimes is experiencing the same mindset as its previous subscribers - namely, those of us that were a bit shocked at their terrorist-supporting agenda. They're getting what they deserve, in my most humble opinion and I'm but one who helped.

They can take comfort in the word of one of their own (Dan Rather)..."Courage"...LOL.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 11:58 am
Well, it certainly has to do with the job situation here in Europe, but 500 women and men loosing their job would never be a good news.

No-one here, whatever polical ideas he/she follows, would think such a good news.

But as said, another continent ...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 12:03 pm
No one here rejoices when people lose their jobs. Lost jobs are almost always the result of failed policies or poor business decisions. The NY Times is guilty of both. So if jobs are going to be lost, it is only mete and fitting that it be the villain who is suffering and not one of the good guys.

All things are relative.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 12:04 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
But as said, another continent ...


Precisely.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 12:08 pm
LOL Foxy - the LATimes isn't doing much better. They're begging for subscribers...offering subscriptions for less than 2 bucks a week. And no, it isn't hard to make money in the newspaper business these days. You're right about that and it's no surprise as to the ones that are sinking...fast.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 01:28 pm
No kidding. Albuquerque has two daily papers - The Tribune and The Journal. Some years ago, the Journal was pretty leftwing oriented and the Trib was the more balanced of the two. Little by little, the Trib gained more and more readership and got bigger--the Journal lost market share and got smaller.

In the last few years that trend reversed with changes in editorial staff and the news desk. The Trib veered sharply left and the Journal moderated to provide a better balance of the news. Guess what, the Journal has been thriving and the Trib gets smaller and smaller.

There really is something to it. Most Americans don't want to be force fed extreme propaganda from either end of the political spectrum.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 01:34 pm
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Newspaper circulation is in decline.

The root problems go back to the late 1940s, when the percentage of Americans reading newspapers began to drop. But for years the U.S. population was growing so much that circulation kept rising and then, after 1970, remained stable.

That changed in 1990 when circulation began to decline in absolute numbers.

And the problem now appears to be more than fewer people developing the newspaper habit. People who used to read every day now read less often. Some people who used to read a newspaper have stopped altogether.




Today, just more than half of Americans (54 percent) read a newspaper during the week, somewhat more (62 percent) on Sundays, and the number is continuing to drop.1

Overall, some 55 million newspapers are sold each day, 59 million on Sunday.

At the same time, the number of newspapers in the country has been on a steady decline for even longer, dropping nearly 1 percent a year for now two decades to 1,457 in 2002.2

Where are readers going? It is impossible to say fully. Some people may be getting news online, some perhaps from cable television. Some may be opting out of traditional news sources. Others may be sharing copies of a paper among multiple readers. Many people now read newspapers only occasionally, a couple days a week, but no longer everyday. Much of the loss came from people no longer reading afternoon papers. Whatever it is, these people are not paying everyday for the journalism produced by newspapers, even if they are reading it in other outlets such as online.

Some newspaper companies are now de-emphasizing paid circulation and pushing total readership as more meaningful. Readership helps capture multiple readers in a single household or people reading a copy in public settings like a coffee shop or waiting room. And readership studies can provide advertisers with more detailed information about who reads, what they read and how much time they spend with a newspaper. But the emphasis on readership is also a sign that the circulation story is not a good one.
source and full article with graphis at The State of the News Media 2004
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 01:39 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
No kidding. Albuquerque has two daily papers - The Tribune and The Journal. Some years ago, the Journal was pretty leftwing oriented and the Trib was the more balanced of the two. Little by little, the Trib gained more and more readership and got bigger--the Journal lost market share and got smaller.


I don't think such is very astonishing: both are owned by the very same owner, namely The E.W. Scripps Company.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 02:19 pm
walter

As you've likely already concluded, these two don't have a clue as to the causal factors here (not to mention much else). Let 'em yammer.

But I will pass on some interesting stuff from the Friday PBS News weekly political analysis by Shields and Brooks...

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DAVID BROOKS: Yes, he [Bush] is in deep trial. The National Review Magazine on the right said President Bush has never been in so much trouble with the conservatives in the history of his life. So yes. Let alone with the rest of the country. The exhaustion, the disillusionment, the worry about the cost, it's just still building.

JIM LEHRER: Let's talk about the cost. You say the conservatives are upset. How upset are they and what are they going to do about it?

DAVID BROOKS: They are upset for a lot of reasons. Some of it is Katrina - anger just with reaction. A lot of it is that. Again Katrina is always the end of a long accumulation of events and for conservatives on spending, you have got a highway bill which was ridiculous, a travesty of pork barrel spending; you had an Ag bill; you had really five years in which George Bush has spent money at a faster clip than Lyndon Johnson.

JIM LEHRER: Say that again.

DAVID BROOKS: Domestic discretionary spending - non-defense spending - non-homeland security spending -- has increased.

JIM LEHRER: Non-Social Security, none all of those things -

DAVID BROOKS: -- has increased under George W. Bush twice as fast as under Bill Clinton, and faster than under Lyndon Baines Johnson. Conservatives didn't expect that in 2000. I guarantee you that. A lot of it is, frankly, the Republican Congress's fault. If you look back - when we look back on this period, we are going to look at a Congress that came preaching limited government but just has gone hog-wild in spending, and a president who never disciplined members of his own party to restrain themselves.

So there's just a lot of built-up anger and symbolically I think for a lot of conservatives there has to be what they call offsets, which are budget cuts to compensate for the cost -

JIM LEHRER: Of Katrina, of Rita --

DAVID BROOKS: And what we were about to say.

JIM LEHRER: Or Iraq or whatever.

DAVID BROOKS: Right.

JIM LEHRER: What's your view of this, Mark?

MARK SHIELDS: I have seen this movie before, Jim. The first 200 years of the United States, seven wars, Louisiana Purchase, expansion of the continent, the Great Depression; we ran up a total indebtedness of 1 trillion dollars.

In 12 years from 1980 to 1992, under Republican presidents promising to eliminate waste, fraud and abuse, which is the term I heard again this week, we saw that national debt quadruple. It became an issue in the '92 campaign on balanced budgets raised by Ross Perot and the consequence was that Bill Clinton, Democratic president, working with the Republican Congress left George Bush with a budget surplus.

JIM LEHRER: This George Bush.

MARK SHIELDS: This George Bush. In the four and a half years he's been there, the national debt has gone from $5.7 trillion to $7.9 trillion. That has to be paid off.

The question is: What are we going to do about Katrina? We are going to do exactly what we have done all the way through. We are going to say tax cuts are the holy grail of Republicans. We can never tamper with those because my goodness gracious that's what we are all about as a party.

And the Democrats will say that's what you ought to do. Tax cuts this year alone -- George Bush's tax cuts -- $225 billion. That's what they total. Okay.

For the next five years it's going to average $255 billion. This just isn't coming in. But it is being spent, being spent in Iraq, being spent in Katrina. And I just think if you look at it in anyway realistically, they are going to borrow it and they're going to pass it on to our grandchildren.

Right now 46 percent of the national debt is owed. It is owed and held by China and other foreign interests.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 03:54 pm
# of anti-war demonstrators in DC.... 100,000

# of pro-war demonstrators next day.... 400




http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-War-Rally.html
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 03:55 pm
number of US and Brit casualities in Iraq to date +2,000.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 04:05 pm
When I had my heart attack, the Cornell medical team was having big problems with the ECG machine producing weird readings. Apparently they finally concluded that it was simply the overwhelming signal coming from God's and Bush's hearts beating in unison along with all the suffering people of the world. They recalibrated and it worked fine.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 04:16 pm
digital or analog?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 04:26 pm
Fluidic.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 04:35 pm
Fluidic - does that mean martinis? LOL
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 04:38 pm
I've never trusted hydraulics unless they go to all the meetings and stay analog for at least a year.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 06:18 pm
Walter writes
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I don't think such is very astonishing: both are owned by the very same owner, namely The E.W. Scripps Company.


Yes, and they are housed in the same building and share the same printing press, photo lab, morgue, etc. They are sold out of the same newspaper machines on street corners. Which just goes to show is that the ONLY factor affecting sales is their editorial policy.

Excluding the extremists on either side, people really do appreciate and pay good money for balanced information instead of that which is obviously slanted in favor of one or the other. Which brings us back to the NY Times woes. They'll either clean up their act, or they will continue to decline.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2005 09:39 pm
blatham wrote:
# of anti-war demonstrators in DC.... 100,000

# of pro-war demonstrators next day.... 400




http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-War-Rally.html


And this means that Americans opposing the war in Iraq outnumber those who support it by a ratio of 25,000 to 1?

I'm a little surprised they could only muster 100,000. Was it raining?
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