Bush supporters' aftermath thread

Lest we forget:

"Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government. And to the extent that the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility." -- George Bush, 13 September 2005

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Lest we forget:

"Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government. And to the extent that the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility." -- George Bush, 13 September 2005

<sigh> What's your point, c.i.?

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The point is, you responded. LOL

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An illustration to show that there is clear value from whoring a tragedy, but that the value is limited.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/09/14/politics/15poll_graphic.gif

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I really like this human note

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World News

September 15, 2005

President Bush writes a note to Condoleezza Rice during a Security Council meeting (Rick Wilking/Reuters)

'Excuse me Condi , can I go to the bathroom?'

By Philippe Naughton, Times Online

President Bush had a more pressing worry than terrorism or reforming the United Nations during a Security Counil meeting in New York yesterday - the leader of the world's only superpower wanted to go the loo.

source: the (UK) Times

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blatham, What is very telling about the graph you posted is the fact that Bush's disapproval rating was less than 10 percent in 2001, and steadily increased to over 50 percent now. The question now becomes how much higher it will go in the next three years. If the long-term trend holds true, we can expet it to be over 75 percent.

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I think you're looking at the disapproval.

The graph pretty much shows that people rally behind their president in times of crisis. Big spike for 9/11. Smaller spike for Iraq invasion. Steady decline as people slowly stop believing in him.

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FreeDuck, The rhetoric behind the graph is the simple fact that more people are realizing they can't depend on this president in a crisis. It's slow, but people learn through tragedies. More and more people are beginning to realize that the war in Iraq has questionable value to Americans.

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For those interested in the level of Blanco's incompetence, CNN has a video addressing the timeline of Gov. Blanco's asking for federal troops to assist in the hurricane aftermath. In it, there is a scene where she is having a "private conversation" with her press secretary, but it's caught on tape, and she says, "I really need to call for the military, and I really should've started that in the first call," admitting that she wasn't clear in her first request that she was requesting military. That conversation is then confirmed with her press secretary. Later in the video, CNN anchor Miles O'Brien asks her exactly when she asked Bush for troop, and she initially gets frustrated, says she didn't even know what day it was then, but when pressed, she finally admits it was Wednesday.

See the video ... HERE.

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tico, We all know about the state and local government's failures. The feds still have responsibilities to it's people in all states, irregardless of the local government failures. New Orleans is a "national crisis." Maybe, it's difficult for you to understand these issues.

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Since you seem to forget, I'll post it again, and again, and again until it penetrates your brain.

"Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government. And to the extent that the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility." -- George Bush, 13 September 2005

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Tico, have a look here http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=59181.

She waited too long to specifically ask for the military. She admits she should've thought to do that in the first call. But the procedures she followed to ask for help were specified by FEMA. And as per the National Response Plan, the feds could have brought in the military without her request. In fact, they should have been coordinating the whole effort and would have if Chertoff had said the magic words "incident of national significance" a little sooner.

No amount of dissing Blanco for not jumping through the right hoops at the right time is going to change the fact that the feds didn't show up in time. And nobody wants to say so, but it's true for Mississippi too. So if the problems in NO are because of the governor then who's responsible for the poor response in Missip?

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Ack! CI please, can you ease up on the big red letters? You're liable to put someone's eye out.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

tico, We all know about the state and local government's failures. The feds still have responsibilities to it's people in all states, irregardless of the local government failures. New Orleans is a "national crisis." Maybe, it's difficult for you to understand these issues.

I think you are the one having difficulty, c.i. :wink:

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Lovely final sentence from Ivins last column...

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Next time I tell you someone from Texas should not be president of the United States, please pay attention.

Link

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FreeDuck wrote:

Tico, have a look here http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=59181.

Saw it already, FD.

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She waited too long to specifically ask for the military. She admits she should've thought to do that in the first call. But the procedures she followed to ask for help were specified by FEMA. And as per the National Response Plan, the feds could have brought in the military without her request. In fact, they should have been coordinating the whole effort and would have if Chertoff had said the magic words "incident of national significance" a little sooner.

Yeah, she screwed up.

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No amount of dissing Blanco for not jumping through the right hoops at the right time is going to change the fact that the feds didn't show up in time.

Okay, but she still screwed up.

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And nobody wants to say so, but it's true for Mississippi too. So if the problems in NO are because of the governor then who's responsible for the poor response in Missip?

The governor.

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So you have a complaint against the governor of Mississippi? Well, let's have it!

Yeah, she screwed up by not knowing that if she really needed help she shouldn't have followed the bureaucratic steps laid out by FEMA.

If it had been a terrorist attack, say terrorists blew up the levies, and she didn't realize until three days later that she had to specifically request the military, and the feds didn't realize until the third day that they could actually do it without her explicit request, would you hold the same position?

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FreeDuck, Sorry about that! I wanted to burn that into tico's brain; he still seems oblivious to Bush's admission of fault. But, I promise to lay low on that stuff; it's burning my eyes too, and I'm much older than you'll. Wink

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Thanks, ci.

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The governor, the mayor, and everybody else worked out their disaster plan with FEMA well before Hurrican Katrina was a tropical depression. They knew what the procedures were and in what order they would occur, or if they didn't they didn't read their own emergency plans. The Federal government is responsible for any failure to follow its plan. The governor is responsible for any failure at the state level to follow its plan. The mayor is responsible for any failure at the local lovel to follow its plan.

It is only by looking at it from this perspective that one can assign any blame that is to be assigned. To wish for the Federal government to be the only evil entity is biased partisanship at its worst. (And I'm not referrig to you FD. You are trying to be reasonable.)

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