Bush supporters' aftermath thread

georgeob1 wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Why don't don't you take your Red Herring accusations against the locals to the Times-Picayune forum? Or better yet, move to Louisiana to help reform the state. MY God! How bad is it that we must point out the mistakes of the most **** up state in the union to try to make the Feds look good in comparison?

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If Chrissee truly believes Louisiana is that bad, it is odd that she hasn't commented at all on their handling of steps to prevent the disaster or limit its effects.

What is odd is that you hahven't noticed that I have. But I have also pointed out on numerous occasions that, by and large, we have no control over NOLA politics. If you want to change NOLA politics, MOVE THERE!!!

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nimh wrote:

Nice!

So theres egoistic and altruistic Democrats. Whoodathought... ;-)

It came as a surprise to me to, nimh. :wink:

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georgeob1 wrote:

What I find most interesting is the vitriolic character of most of the Bush critics here, compared to all others.

For every Chrissee there's a Gunga... <shrugs>

georgeob1 wrote:

A trace of skepticism or doubt is a general characteristic of reasoning people dealing with serious, complex subjects. And yet these visceral Bush critics express no doubt or even qualification

And have you witnessed much doubt or skepticism re: Bush among those who are home in this thread, lately?

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From BBC:

US Congress starts Katrina probe
The US Senate has held a hearing which marks the start of an investigation into the government's response to Hurricane Katrina.
A senior Republican Senator said disaster-response reforms introduced after the 11 September 2001 attacks had failed their first major test.

Meanwhile, US President George W Bush thanked the 115 countries which offered help in the wake of the storm.

He was speaking on the opening day of the United Nations summit in New York.

The hearing came a day after Mr Bush acknowledged the inadequacy of the federal response to the storm and took responsibility for its shortcomings.

Senate Homeland Security Committee chairwoman Susan Collins, a Republican, said although billions of dollars had been used to boost security measures in the wake of the 2001 attack on the US, the response to Katrina had been marred by confusion and lack of co-ordination.

"At this point we would have expected a sharp, crisp response to this terrible tragedy," she said.

"Instead, we witnessed what appeared to be a sluggish initial response."

Congress has not yet decided whether to create an independent commission to investigate the matter or leave the task to a House-Senate panel.

A number of former city and state officials whose communities have suffered major disasters in the past were due to address the panel.

Welfare measures

Meanwhile, lawmakers are discussing benefit proposals for Katrina survivors.

Democrats and Republicans are at loggerheads over proposals to temporarily ease restrictive welfare rules to help those made homeless by the storm.

Democrats are in favour of a more generous approach, but Republicans accuse them of trying to take advantage of the emergency to pass ambitious laws which they say would never be approved by the Republican-dominated Congress under normal circumstances.

In a separate development on Tuesday, the owners of a nursing home outside New Orleans were charged with manslaughter over the deaths of 34 people during Hurricane Katrina.

The married couple who ran St Rita's home are accused of ignoring mandatory orders to evacuate residents, whose bodies were found last week.

These are believed to be the first criminal negligence charges brought in connection with the flood disaster.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/4246212.stm

Published: 2005/09/14 16:33:58 GMT

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Foxfyre wrote:

As maybe the first attempt you have made at having a real discussion Amigo, I compliment this post:

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blatham, Doesn't make a point in this war of right against Left. He makes thee point.The current right wing has trampled the most valued of Amercan ideas and called those who question them unamerican. What other governments in history have taken this kind of thing to extremes and what was the outcome? All it takes for extremist to progress is for the rest of us to do nothing,

The broad generalities put forth by both Blatham and you, however, diminish the credibility that either of you have. Give us a specific to deal with. What has been taken to the extreme in your opinion?

I give you a specific and you use it to unjustly discredit me, blatham and my 'specific'. Blatham mentions something about "The open minded pursuit of knowledge" but I don't think you really care about that or you would have found the 78,000 hits on"aluminum tubes uranium enrichment Iraq". What do you think they say. Anyone who cares can look for themselves and decide who's credibility stands and who's is diminishing. Blatham also mentioned the "transparency of honesty in governance".

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I thought you were through with me, Amigo. If I can't trust you to even get that straight, how can I trust anything else you say or post?

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Nimh writes

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And have you witnessed much doubt or skepticism re: Bush among those who are home in this thread, lately?

If you haven't seen the criticisms we have all leveled against the President from time to time--sins of ommission; sins of commission; hopes; wishes; frustrations--you just haven't been paying attention. The difference is in the ability to see the strengths as well; something the Democrats seems not to be able to do or maybe some just can't bring themselves to be that honest.

However, there are dozens and dozens of threads, some with unimaginable inflammatory and hateful thread titles, specifically designed to bash President Bush.

This one thread--that's ONE THREAD out of dozens and dozens and dozens is titled for Bush supporters. We don't feel the need to demonize him with something in every statement we make about him. I personally don't understand those who do need to demonize him with every statement.

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Foxfyre wrote:

I thought you were through with me, Amigo. If I can't trust you to even get that straight, how can I trust anything else you say or post?

I'm not really talking to you. I'm demonsrating my point and my credibility to myself it's very important to me. I need to know I am right and doing the right thing.

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"...need to demonize..."

"demon - brute, savage, beast, monster, hellbound, barbarian."

"brute - barbarian, savage, wild man, ogre, monster, troglodyte."
He is responsible for the killing over some 100,000 Iraqis, most of them women and children. The definition fits.

"savage - ferocious, fierce, ruthless, vicious, fell, truculent."
Same as above.

"beast -brute, savage, heathen, pagan, monster..."
Same as above.

"monster - deviate, deviant, deviator, deviation, aberration, anomaly, abnormality..."
Same as above.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

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Amigo wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
I thought you were through with me, Amigo. If I can't trust you to even get that straight, how can I trust anything else you say or post?
I'm not really talking to you. I'm demonsrating my point and my credibility to myself it's very important to me. I need to know I am right and doing the right thing.

Then why did you address Foxfyre in your response, no less than 4 times? That is who you are referring to when you say "you," correct?

Amigo wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
As maybe the first attempt you have made at having a real discussion Amigo, I compliment this post:

Quote:
blatham, Doesn't make a point in this war of right against Left. He makes thee point.The current right wing has trampled the most valued of Amercan ideas and called those who question them unamerican. What other governments in history have taken this kind of thing to extremes and what was the outcome? All it takes for extremist to progress is for the rest of us to do nothing,

The broad generalities put forth by both Blatham and you, however, diminish the credibility that either of you have. Give us a specific to deal with. What has been taken to the extreme in your opinion?
I give you a specific and you use it to unjustly discredit me, blatham and my 'specific'. Blatham mentions something about "The open minded pursuit of knowledge" but I don't think you really care about that or you would have found the 78,000 hits on"aluminum tubes uranium enrichment Iraq". What do you think they say. Anyone who cares can look for themselves and decide who's credibility stands and who's is diminishing. Blatham also mentioned the "transparency of honesty in governance".

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Like I said before Tico. I've been doing this a long time. I want you to know as little about my logic, strategy and reasoning as possible.

You are a lawyer right? You already know the answer to your question. :wink:

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Well, Tico, he probably thinks expounding on 'transparencies in government' is a specific. Smile

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If you look at our exchange close Foxfyre you will see that I have made YOU the specific.

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Amigo wrote:

Like I said before Tico. I've been doing this a long time. I want you to know as little about my logic, strategy and reasoning as possible.

I know you have said you've been doing this a long time, but I have yet to see the fruits of your efforts. Frankly, I'm beginning to doubt you are just holding back.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Amigo wrote:
Like I said before Tico. I've been doing this a long time. I want you to know as little about my logic, strategy and reasoning as possible.

I know you have said you've been doing this a long time, but I have yet to see the fruits of your efforts. Frankly, I'm beginning to doubt you are just holding back.

Maybe your right.

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Here's another at least a small gold star for the Democrats:

Just posted on the Drudge site:

"Exclusive Drudge sources in the U.S. Senate's Hart Building heard Democrat Sen. Joe Biden say to Judge John G. Roberts in a private conversation on the hearing room floor: 'You're the best I've ever seen before the committee'...

Developing..."

For all who know that enough hot air has been expended in this hearing to send Columbus's fleet on another round trip, you just have to love that. Smile

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Foxfyre
Foxfyre wrote: "For all who know that enough hot air has been expended in this hearing to send Columbus's fleet on another round trip, you just have to love that."

Gosh, I didn't know Columbus sailed from the old world to the new world in a hot air balloon. Remarkable man, that Columbus.

BBB

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A little trivia on Columbus. It is said that Columbus traveled more after he died than when he was alive.

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Re: Foxfyre

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

Foxfyre wrote: "For all who know that enough hot air has been expended in this hearing to send Columbus's fleet on another round trip, you just have to love that."

Gosh, I didn't know Columbus sailed from the old world to the new world in a hot air balloon. Remarkable man, that Columbus.

BBB

Wind in their sails and all. All the hot air blowing in that room today could sail a ship across the ocean.

Keep up, BBB.

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Well, in fairness to BBB, windbags instead of hot air might have been a better metaphor. But I didn't want to be rude.

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