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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 06:49 am
September 14, 2005

A Fatal Incuriosity
By MAUREEN DOWD

I hate spending time in hospitals and nursing homes. I find them to be some of the most depressing places on earth.

Maybe that's why the stories of the sick and elderly who died, 45 in a New Orleans hospital and 34 in St. Rita's nursing home in the devastated St. Bernard Parish outside New Orleans, haunt me so.

You're already vulnerable and alone when suddenly you're beset by nature and betrayed by your government.

At St. Rita's, 34 seniors fought to live with what little strength they had as the lights went out and the water rose over their legs, over their shoulders, over their mouths. As Gardiner Harris wrote in The Times, the failed defenses included a table nailed against a window and a couch pushed against a door.

Several electric wheelchairs were gathered near the front entrance, maybe by patients who dreamed of evacuating. Their drowned bodies were found swollen and unrecognizable a week later, as Mr. Harris reported, "draped over a wheelchair, wrapped in a shower curtain, lying on a floor in several inches of muck."

At Memorial Medical Center, victims also suffered in 100-degree heat and died, some while waiting to be rescued in the four days after Katrina hit.

As Louisiana's death toll spiked to 423 yesterday, the state charged St. Rita's owners with multiple counts of negligent homicide, accusing them of not responding to warnings about the hurricane. "In effect," State Attorney General Charles Foti Jr. said, "I think that their inactions resulted in the death of these people."

President Bush continued to try to spin his own inaction yesterday, but he may finally have reached a patch of reality beyond spin. Now he's the one drowning, unable to rescue himself by patting small black children on the head during photo-ops and making scripted attempts to appear engaged. He can keep going back down there, as he will again on Thursday when he gives a televised speech to the nation, but he can never compensate for his tragic inattention during days when so many lives could have been saved.

He made the ultimate sacrifice and admitted his administration had messed up, something he'd refused to do through all of the other screw-ups, from phantom W.M.D. and the torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo to the miscalculations on the Iraq occupation and the insurgency, which will soon claim 2,000 young Americans.

How many places will be in shambles by the time the Bush crew leaves office?

Given that the Bush team has dealt with both gulf crises, Iraq and Katrina, with the same deadly mixture of arrogance and incompetence, and a refusal to face reality, it's frightening to think how it will handle the most demanding act of government domestic investment since the New Deal.

Even though we know W. likes to be in his bubble with his feather pillow, the stories this week are breathtaking about the lengths the White House staff had to go to in order to capture Incurious George's attention.

Newsweek reported that the reality of Katrina did not sink in for the president until days after the levees broke, turning New Orleans into a watery grave. It took a virtual intervention of his top aides to make W. watch the news about the worst natural disaster in a century. Dan Bartlett made a DVD of newscasts on the hurricane to show the president on Friday morning as he flew down to the Gulf Coast.

The aides were scared to tell the isolated president that he should cut short his vacation by a couple of days, Newsweek said, because he can be "cold and snappish in private." Mike Allen wrote in Time about one "youngish aide" who was so terrified about telling Mr. Bush he was wrong about something during the first term, he "had dry heaves" afterward.

The president had to be truly zoned out not to jump at the word "hurricane," given that he has always used his father's term as a reverse playbook and his father almost lost Florida in 1992 because of his slow-footed response to Hurricane Andrew. And W.'s chief of staff, Andy Card, was the White House transportation secretary the senior President Bush sent to the rescue after FEMA bungled that one.

W. has said he prefers to get his information straight up from aides, rather than filtered through newspapers or newscasts. But he surrounds himself with weak sisters who don't have the nerve to break bad news to him, or ideologues with agendas that require warping reality or chuckleheaded cronies like Brownie.

The president should stop haunting New Orleans, looking for that bullhorn moment. It's too late.

E-mail: [email protected]

* Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 07:41 am
It seems to me that even the boy in the bubble, hearing about this monster brewing in thr gulf, would grab his remote and flick on CNN or TWC himself for a few minutes jsut out of curiousity. But this boy in a bubble doesn't. It is absloutely mind-boggling. And even more mind-boggling that we still have a significant crowd of bubble boys and girls who defend him.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 08:32 am
Some gleefully post the hateful and erroneous ramblings of Maureen Dowd who actually blames President Bush because a nursing home administrator didn't follow orders to get the patients out. Unbelievable.
But you don't see them posting things like this:

Quote:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 08:35 am
Fox, You will never "get it." This administration failed to help in the rescue effort immediately after the storm.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 08:35 am
In case you haven't heard, Bush aplogized for the failure of responding more quickly.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 08:43 am
Some also report only what makes the President look the worst and fail to report that the governor is on record of not blaming the President for slow response. These mud-slingers would have much more credibility if they didn't surf specifically to find the most hate-filled garbage they can find to post, most probably because they have been asked not to spam the thread with this garbage.

Why don't they take that drivel over to the Democrat gloat thread where it will be appreciated? They will even be complimented for posting it no matter how many factual errors it contains.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 09:16 am
Amigo wrote:
Foxfyre, your answer to my first question ends our conversation.


You should leave this thread then, because you will find here people who haven't swallowed the moveon.org talking points.

Amigo wrote:
I do not argue politics with misinformed people.


Why on earth not?

In any event, bye.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 09:18 am
Real good question, Foxy.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 09:39 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Some also report only what makes the President look the worst and fail to report that the governor is on record of not blaming the President for slow response. These mud-slingers would have much more credibility if they didn't surf specifically to find the most hate-filled garbage they can find to post, most probably because they have been asked not to spam the thread with this garbage.

Why don't they take that drivel over to the Democrat gloat thread where it will be appreciated? They will even be complimented for posting it no matter how many factual errors it contains.



Why don't don't you take your Red Herring accusations against the locals to the Times-Picayune forum? Or better yet, move to Louisiana to help reform the state. MY God! How bad is it that we must point out the mistakes of the most fucked up state in the union to try to make the Feds look good in comparison?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 09:55 am
Chrissee wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Some also report only what makes the President look the worst and fail to report that the governor is on record of not blaming the President for slow response. These mud-slingers would have much more credibility if they didn't surf specifically to find the most hate-filled garbage they can find to post, most probably because they have been asked not to spam the thread with this garbage.

Why don't they take that drivel over to the Democrat gloat thread where it will be appreciated? They will even be complimented for posting it no matter how many factual errors it contains.



Why don't don't you take your Red Herring accusations against the locals to the Times-Picayune forum? Or better yet, move to Louisiana to help reform the state. MY God! How bad is it that we must point out the mistakes of the most **** up state in the union to try to make the Feds look good in comparison?


How bad is it for you that you ignore all the mistakes of the most **** up state in the union in your zeal to blame Bush?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 10:15 am
Weaknesses in local and state government does not absolve the feds from their responsibilities. You prolly didn't know that.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 10:22 am
Shame on Rep. William Jefferson.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 10:27 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Weaknesses in local and state government does not absolve the feds from their responsibilities. You prolly didn't know that.


You prolly don't know what I know or think.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 10:30 am
That's for dang sure!
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 10:32 am
nimh wrote:
Shame on Rep. William Jefferson.


I agree.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 10:48 am
Chrissee wrote:

Why don't don't you take your Red Herring accusations against the locals to the Times-Picayune forum? Or better yet, move to Louisiana to help reform the state. MY God! How bad is it that we must point out the mistakes of the most **** up state in the union to try to make the Feds look good in comparison?


Odd combination of non sequitor and Freudian slip.

If Chrissee truly believes Louisiana is that bad, it is odd that she hasn't commented at all on their handling of steps to prevent the disaster or limit its effects.

All this is particularly interesting in that Louisiana has been controlled by the Democrats for several generations, although recently Republicans have come close in elections for the Senate and even governor - due mostly to growing local dissatisfaction with the traditional inept and corrupt Democrat politics of the state. Louisiana wil be a hotly contested state in coming elections, and it is vitally important for the Democrat machine there to divert attention from its own failings.

What I find most interesting is the vitriolic character of most of the Bush critics here, compared to all others. The intensity of their expressed feelings appears to go well beyond the reasonable limits of political discourse. What motivates such pentacostal fervor? A trace of skepticism or doubt is a general characteristic of reasoning people dealing with serious, complex subjects. And yet these visceral Bush critics express no doubt or even qualification in their unreasoned, unreasoning hatred and opposition. Why?

This is doubly interesting in that their intense single minded expressions in this area match rather well with the excessive focus and fervor of which they accxuse the so-called "religious right" whom they also castigate with such abandon. However this wouldn't be the first time the lunatics at the polar extremes of such debates exhibit similar excesses.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 10:52 am
georgeob, It doesn't matter what party the state was controlled by. It's the fed's responsibility to make all Americans safe from natural and aggressive actions against Americans.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 11:03 am
FreeDuck wrote:
nimh wrote:
Shame on Rep. William Jefferson.


I agree.


Here's a positive story about a texas congressman:

Quote:
Lawmaker has evacuees fill vacancy at Waco home
Edwards residence is mostly empty during school year


09:35 PM CDT on Wednesday, September 7, 2005

By TODD J. GILLMAN / The Dallas Morning News

WASHINGTON - The Texas home of Waco Rep. Chet Edwards sat unused much of the time. It doesn't now. He has turned it over to a family that fled Hurricane Katrina.

"I wouldn't be able to sleep knowing we had a vacant home in Waco, where there were children of evacuees," said Mr. Edwards, an eight-term Democrat whose wife, Lea Ann, suggested loaning out their three-bedroom house since they and their two kids spend the school year in Washington.

For Johnnie Marchand, the generosity in the face of her loss is remarkable.

As Katrina bore down on New Orleans and its ferocity became clear, the 46-year-old widow left home in Algiers, across the Mississippi River from downtown, piling into a car with a son, daughter and two grandkids, 3-year-old Mia and 4-year-old Quinn.

"We were going to ride it out because that's what Louisianans do. We gamble and hope it goes the other way," she said from Waco.

Unable to find lodging in Lafayette or Shreveport, they pressed on, ending up at a downtown Dallas hotel they couldn't afford more than a couple of nights. A Red Cross worker suggested Waco. They found the Seventh and James Baptist Church. Mr. Edwards showed up the next day.

She had no idea he was the local congressman.

"He had on his shorts and baseball cap and T-shirt. He said, 'Lemme take you somewhere and show you a place I might have available,' " she said. "Stone-pebble walkway. All this wood. ... It's a beautiful place."

They moved in on Saturday. The kids love the treehouse and backyard trampoline.

Ms. Marchand used to work as a bloodbank clerk and plans to find a job soon. For now, she's volunteering at the church, determined to help other evacuees.

Mr. Edwards said he will stay with in-laws or friends when he returns to Waco on weekends.

"It's a small inconvenience compared to what these people have been through," he said.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 11:11 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Chrissee wrote:

Why don't don't you take your Red Herring accusations against the locals to the Times-Picayune forum? Or better yet, move to Louisiana to help reform the state. MY God! How bad is it that we must point out the mistakes of the most **** up state in the union to try to make the Feds look good in comparison?


Odd combination of non sequitor and Freudian slip.


Odd that in several paragraphs of drooling vitriol, ob1 doesn't point out what the non sequitur or Freudian slip is.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 11:13 am
Nice!

So theres egoistic and altruistic Democrats. Whoodathought... ;-)
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