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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
husker
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 08:47 pm
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As for the evaluation of the President by Dr. Frank, we have more hearsay and opinion. In writing his book, Dr. Frank used a controversial technique known as applied psychoanalysis, pioneered by Sigmund Freud, in which the analyst builds a psychological profile of a public figure based on memoirs and public accounts (a method eerily similar to the fictitious IQ test used for openly farcical effect in a popular 2001 hoax). When questioned in online chats and radio and TV interviews, Frank admits he has never met, let alone analyzed the president in person. His book has garnered harsh criticism for being biased and far-fetched. Applied psychoanalysis has both its supporters and detractors.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 08:48 pm
Another Fake Bush Story
By Another Stupid Lunatic
Sept 10, 2005

President Bush reportedly ordered his wife, Laura to pitch a tent in the Yellow Room on the first floor of the White House, where he has camped out for the last three days.

Last night, he skinned and ate his dog, Barney. Today, he levitated for three hours and entertained God at a weenie roast.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 08:51 pm
ROFLMAO
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husker
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 08:52 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Sent to me by a writer-friend who lives in GA:

Bush's Obscene Tirades Rattle White House Aides

By DOUG THOMPSON
Aug 25, 2005, 06:19


While President George W. Bush travels around the country in a last-ditch effort to sell his Iraq war, White House aides scramble frantically behind the scenes to hide the dark mood of an increasingly angry leader who unleashes obscenity-filled outbursts at anyone who dares disagree with him.

"I'm not meeting with that goddamned bitch," Bush screamed at aides who suggested he meet with Cindy Sheehan, the war-protesting mother whose son died in Iraq. "She can go to hell as far as I'm concerned!"

President Bush flashes the bird, something aides say he does a lot of these days. Bush, administration aides confide, frequently explodes into tirades over those who protest the war, calling them "**** traitors." He reportedly was so upset over Veterans of Foreign Wars members who wore "bullshit protectors" over their ears during his speech to their annual convention that he told aides to "tell those VFW **** that I'll never speak to them again is they can't keep their members under control."

White House insiders say Bush is growing increasingly bitter over mounting opposition to his war in Iraq. Polls show a vast majority of Americans now believe the war was a mistake and most doubt the President's honesty.

"Who gives a flying **** what the polls say," he screamed at a recent strategy meeting. "I'm the President and I'll do whatever I goddamned please. They don't know ****."

Bush, whiles setting up for a photo op for signing the recent CAFTA bill, flipped an extended middle finger at the camera before going live. Aides say the President often "flips the bird" to show his displeasure and tells aides who disagree with him to "go to hell" or to "go **** yourself."

Bush's behavior, according to prominent Washington psychiatrist, Dr. Justin Frank, author of "Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President," is all too typical of an alcohol-abusing bully who is ruled by fear.

To see that fear emerges, Dr. Frank says, all one has to do is confront the President. "To actually directly confront him in a clear way, to bring him out, so you would really see the bully, and you would also see the fear," he says.

Dr. Frank, in his book, speculates that Bush, an alcoholic who brags that he gave up booze without help from groups like Alcoholics Anonymous, may be drinking again.

"Two questions that the press seems particularly determined to ignore have hung silently in the air since before Bush took office," Dr. Frank says. "Is he still drinking? And if not, is he impaired by all the years he did spend drinking? Both questions need to be addressed in any serious assessment of his psychological state."

Last year, Capitol Hill Blue learned the White House physician prescribed anti-depressant drugs for the President to control what aides called "violent mood swings." As Dr. Frank also notes: "In writing about Bush's halting appearance in a press conference just before the start of the Iraq War, Washington Post media critic Tom Shales speculated that 'the president may have been ever so slightly medicated.'"

Dr. Frank explains Bush's behavior as all-to-typical of an alcoholic who is still in denial:

"The pattern of blame and denial, which recovering alcoholics work so hard to break, seems to be ingrained in the alcoholic personality; it's rarely limited to his or her drinking," he says. "The habit of placing blame and denying responsibility is so prevalent in George W. Bush's personal history that it is apparently triggered by even the mildest threat."

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kickycan
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 08:52 pm
That is some funny ****. Laughing
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:05 pm
Dry Drunk Syndrome
I chose this site because it made no reference to President Bush's behavior and is purely clinically based. Some sites have comments by psycologists that Bush's behavior indicates he suffers from Dry Drunk Syndrome. ---BBB

Dry Drunk Syndrome
http://www.minnesotarecovery.info/literature/drydrunk.htm

Sobriety will necessarily have its ups and downs, its good times and its bad times, if only because we live in a world which we are inseparably joined. One doesn't always sustain sobriety at the same level. There are fluctuations, shocks and setbacks which, when addressed within the context of the A.A. program, so not in themselves imperil the totality of one's sobriety. The Dry Drunk Syndrome is a term that should not be used as a catch-all when one has a bad day or a bump in life throws us for a while. Those are ups and downs that everyone experiences and shouldn't be labeled to be anything more than what they truly are. The Dry Drunk is a condition far more serious than the highs and lows of our day-to-day existence.
The phrase "dry drunk" has two significant words for the alcoholic. "Dry" refers to the abstinence from drinking, whereas "drunk" signifies a deeply pathological condition resulting from the use of alcohol in the past. Taken together these words suggest intoxication without alcohol. Since intoxication comes from the Greek word for poison, "dry drunk" implies a state of mind and a mode of behavior that are poisonous to the alcoholic's well being.

OBVIOUS TRAITS Persons experiencing a full-blown DRY DRUNK are, for that period, removed from the world of sobriety; they fail, for whatever reason, to accept the necessary conditions for sober living. Their mental and emotional homes are chaotic, their approach to everyday living is unrealistic, and their behavior, both verbal and physical, is unacceptable.

This lack of sober realism manifests itself in many ways.

1. Grandiosity, put very simply, is an exaggeration of one's own importance. This can be demonstrated either in terms of one's strengths or weaknesses. In either case it is blatantly self- seeking or self-serving, putting oneself at the center of attention, from the "big me" who has ask the answers to the "poor me" whose cup of self-pity runneth over and wants all of our attention.

2. Judgmentalism is mutually related to grandiosity. It means that the alcoholic is prone to make value judgments - strikingly inappropriate evaluations - usually in terms of "goodness" or "badness".

3. Intolerance leaves no room for delaying the gratification of personal desires. This is accomplished by gross confusion of priorities with the result that a mere whim or passing fancy is mistakenly given more importance than genuine personal needs.

4. Impulsivity is the result of intolerance or the lack of ability to delay gratification of personal desires. Impulsivity describes behavior which is heedless of the ultimate consequence for self or others.

5. Indecisiveness is related to impulsitivity in the sense that while the latter takes no realistic account of the consequences of the actions, the former precludes effective action altogether. Indecisiveness stems from an unrealistic exaggeration of the negative possibilities of the action ; so one wavers between two or more possible courses of action, more times than not- nothing gets done.

These conditions, grandiosity, judgmentalism, intolerance ,impulsivity, and indecisiveness taken separately or together can lead to the following: a) Mood swings, which are unrelated to the circumstances to which one tries to link them. Alcoholics zero in on what they want others to think is the cause of the mood swing, when it isn't that at all. More often than not it is something much deeper than the reason given. Inversely it can also be something totally insignificant with no substance at all (e.g. the sugar is too sweet or the donut is too round). Any excuse will do. b) Unable to demonstrate emotions freely, naturally and without constraint. No emotional spontaneity, no genuine spark. c) Introspection. A very healthy thing to do is difficult if not impossible for the "dry drunk". It means to look inward to one's examining each thought and desire, which is linked directly to one's attitude. d) Detachment. Become aloof, display indifference, don't care one way or the other, no special likes or dislikes, they withdraw. e) Self-absorption- with a tendency to call attention to whatever they have attained. Narcissism which is quite simply self-love. They become pompous asses. f) The inability to appreciate or enjoy themselves - nothing satisfies. g) Evidence of disorganization, is easily distracted, complains of boredom, and nothing seems to fit. h) A nostalgia sets in, a kind of wistful yearning for something of the past, such as freedom from care associated (falsely) with drinking, bars, drinking associates, and friends; the music, blue lights, and tinkle of the ice cubes in a glass in the neighborhood saloon. i) There can be a kind of romanticism, which includes unrealistic valuations of lifestyles and character traits which can be and usually are objectively dangerous to one's sobriety. j) Escapism. Fantasizing, daydreaming, and wishful thinking are very much in evidence in the dry drunk syndrome as the individual slips farther and farther from reality.

Since the abnormality of the alcoholic's attitudes and behavior during the drinking career is generally recognized, the persistence or these character traits after stopping drinking (or the reappearance after an interlude of sobriety) is equally abnormal.

The term "dry drunk" therefore denotes the absences of favorable change in the attitudes and behavior of the alcoholic who is not drinking, or the reversion of these by the alcoholic who has experienced a period of successful sobriety. From these conditions, it is to be inferred that the alcoholic is experiencing discomfort in life.

The self-destructive attitudes and behavior of the dry drunk alcoholic are different in degree but not in kind. The alcoholic, when drinking, has learned to rely on a deeply inadequate, radically immature approach to solving life's problems. And this is exactly what one sees in the dry drunk.

ANALYSIS OF DRY DRUNK BEHAVIOR The alcoholic who rationalizes their own irresponsible behavior are also likely to find fault in the attitudes and behavior of others. Although not denying their own shortcomings, they attempt to escape notice by cataloging in great detail the transgressions of others.

The classic maneuver of the dry drunk is over-reaction. The alcoholic may attach a seemingly disproportionate intensity of feeling to an ordinary insignificant event or mishap.

Some alcoholics who experience the dry drunk seem to know all the answers, are seldom at a loss for words when it comes to self-diagnosis. Their knowledge is quite impressive, their apparent insight, as opposed to genuine insight, is convincing.

CORRECTIVE MEASURES: Those undergoing a dry drunk lead impoverished lives. They experience severe limitations to grow,, to mature, and benefit from the possibilities that life offers. They lack the freshness and spontaneity that genuinely sober alcoholics manifest. Their life is a closed system, attitudes and behaviors are stereotyped, repetitive, and consequently predictable.

Alcoholics learn early that humility and a power greater than them- selves are the bedrock for a genuine and productive sobriety. An unusual measure of self-discipline must accompany the ego deflation process. Needed is self-discipline in honesty, patience and responsibility towards the recovery process [and acceptance of their disease]. [To improve long term goals of sobriety be aware of mental stressors, get more involved in the recovery program, get active in the 12 steps, get and use a sponsor, talk things out.] Hopefully. they will begin to appreciate the ironic folly of those alcoholics who think life has suddenly become manageable again; whose sanity is beyond question; who see no need of turning their lives over to a power greater then them- selves; who find personal inventories unnecessary since they are seldom in the wrong and are no longer subject to the embarrassing need of repairing the wrongs they have done.

When dry drunk alcoholics awaken to this irony that they, still unmanageable, still powerless, are the ones who have made this remarkable "recovery," they may feel sufficiently mortified to want to change.
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JPB
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:14 pm
I'm getting the sense that my vote in 2000 against Bush even though I didn't like Gore was comparable in some ways to your vote against Gore at the same time, Tico. Gaining a lot of respect for Bush over the years still has me baffled but then I don't have anything in common with his ultra-conservative leanings so there's no surprise at that. I don't have anything in common with Gore or Kerry's ultra-left leanings either so I do hope Timber is correct in forecasting a viable third party out of this mess. However, I think it will draw from both sides of the fence. Anderson's National Unity party might yet be reinvented. History showing Bush in the same light as Washington, Lincoln, and FDR is beyond my ability to fathom.

Lash I found your response to BBB neither hateful, nor sarcastic. I found it to be quite honest as was your answer to me. Thank you.

Fox, you lost me with the squirrels.

FreeDuck, you're a gem.

Focusing then on GW the man rather than the party Pres and platform, how is it that he has garnered an almost reverence when to me he is the epitome of all that I consider the antithesis of what a leader should be? What exactly did he do to earn your respect?
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squinney
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:19 pm
He's always out front when riding his bike.


(Okay, that's one. Not sure I can come up with two more, so I'll leave this one to the Bush supporters.)
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:23 pm
JB, it's okay if you don't dig squirrels.

My point, poorly stated, was that all of them screw up. It would be a lot easier to accept criticism of the President as constructive if the worst of the nattering nabobs could bring themselves to find anything about him that they like or if they ever were positive about anything. They would have more credibility if they could acknowledge that legitimate blame often has to be shared by many other people.

They can't seem to do that, so their constant criticizng does nothing to convince but just sounds more and more hateful.

And this business about 'dry drunk' or 'drinking again' is a new low.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:24 pm
J_B wrote:
Focusing then on GW the man rather than the party Pres and platform, how is it that he has garnered an almost reverence when to me he is the epitome of all that I consider the antithesis of what a leader should be? What exactly did he do to earn your respect?


What did he do to earn your hatred?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:27 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
And this business about 'dry drunk' or 'drinking again' is a new low.


Yes, but not a surprise. And they believe it too! They have managed to convince themselves that Bush is the spawn of Satan, so this is not a stretch for them.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:27 pm
BBB, Hit the nail on the head as always. Thx.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:27 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
BBB, Hit the nail on the head as always. Thx.


See? Drink up, c.i. Drink up.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:31 pm
BBB, Here's another one on Bush:

CounterPunch

October 11, 2002

Addiction, Brain Damage and the President
"Dry Drunk" Syndrome and
George W. Bush
by KATHERINE van WORMER

Ordinarily I would not use this term. But when I came across the article "Dry Drunk" - - Is Bush Making a Cry for Help? in American Politics Journal by Alan Bisbort, I was ready to concede, in the case of George W. Bush, the phrase may be quite apt.

Dry drunk is a slang term used by members and supporters of Alcoholics Anonymous and substance abuse counselors to describe the recovering alcoholic who is no longer drinking, one who is dry, but whose thinking is clouded. Such an individual is said to be dry but not truly sober. Such an individual tends to go to extremes.

It was when I started noticing the extreme language that colored President Bush's speeches that I began to wonder. First there were the terms-- "crusade" and "infinite justice" that were later withdrawn. Next came "evil doers," "axis of evil," and "regime change", terms that have almost become clichés in the mass media. Something about the polarized thinking and the obsessive repetition reminded me of many of the recovering alcoholics/addicts I had treated. (A point worth noting is that because of the connection between addiction and "stinking thinking," relapse prevention usually consists of work in the cognitive area). Having worked with recovering alcoholics for years, I flinched at the single-mindedness and ego- and ethnocentricity in the President's speeches. (My husband likened his phraseology to the gardener character played by Peter Sellers in the movie, Being There). Since words are the tools, the representations, of thought, I wondered what Bush's choice of words said about where he was coming from. Or where we would be going.

First, in this essay, we will look at the characteristics of the so-called "dry drunk;" then we will see if they apply to this individual, our president; and then we will review his drinking history for the record. What is the dry drunk syndrome? "Dry drunk" traits consist of:

Exaggerated self-importance and pomposity
Grandiose behavior
A rigid, judgmental outlook
Impatience
Childish behavior
Irresponsible behavior
Irrational rationalization
Projection
Overreaction
Clearly, George W. Bush has all these traits except exaggerated self importance. He may be pompous, especially with regard to international dealings, but his actual importance hardly can be exaggerated. His power, in fact, is such that if he collapses into paranoia, a large part of the world will collapse with him. Unfortunately, there are some indications of paranoia in statements such as the following: "We must be prepared to stop rogue states and their terrorist clients before they are able to threaten or use weapons of mass destruction against the United States and our allies and friends." The trait of projection is evidenced here as well, projection of the fact that we are ready to attack onto another nation which may not be so inclined.

Bush's rigid, judgmental outlook comes across in virtually all his speeches. To fight evil, Bush is ready to take on the world, in almost a Biblical sense. Consider his statement with reference to Israel: "Look my job isn't to try to nuance. I think moral clarity is important... this is evil versus good."

Bush's tendency to dichotomize reality is not on the Internet list above, but it should be, as this tendency to polarize is symptomatic of the classic addictive thinking pattern. I describe this thinking distortion in Addiction Treatment: A Strengths Perspective as either/or reasoning-- "either you are with us or against us." Oddly, Bush used those very words in his dealings with other nations. All-or-nothing thinking is a related mode of thinking commonly found in newly recovering alcoholics/addicts. Such a worldview traps people in a pattern of destructive behavior.

Obsessive thought patterns are also pronounced in persons prone to addiction. There are organic reasons for this due to brain chemistry irregularities; messages in one part of the brain become stuck there. This leads to maddening repetition of thoughts. President Bush seems unduly focused on getting revenge on Saddam Hussein ("he tried to kill my Dad") leading the country and the world into war, accordingly.

Grandiosity enters the picture as well. What Bush is proposing to Congress is not the right to attack on one country but a total shift in military policy: America would now have the right to take military action before the adversary even has the capacity to attack. This is in violation, of course, of international law as well as national precedent. How to explain this grandiose request? Jane Bryant Quinn provides the most commonly offered explanation in a recent Newsweek editorial, "Iraq: It's the Oil, Stupid." Many other opponents of the Bush doctrine similarly seek a rational motive behind the obsession over first, the war on terror and now, Iraq. I believe the explanation goes deeper than oil, that Bush's logic is being given too much credit; I believe his obsession is far more visceral.

On this very day, a peace protestor in Portland held up the sign, "Drunk on Power." This, I believe, is closer to the truth. The drive for power can be an unquenchable thirst, addictive in itself. Senator William Fulbright, in his popular bestseller of the 1960s, The Arrogance of Power, masterfully described the essence of power-hungry politics as the pursuit of power; this he conceived as an end in itself. "The causes and consequences of war may have more to do with pathology than with politics," he wrote, "more to do with irrational pressures of pride and pain than with rational calculation of advantage and profit."

Another "dry drunk" trait is impatience. Bush is far from a patient man: "If we wait for threats to fully materialize," he said in a speech he gave at West Point, "we will have waited too long." Significantly, Bush only waited for the United Nations and for Congress to take up the matter of Iraq's disarmament with extreme reluctance.

Alan Bisbort argues that Bush possesses the characteristics of the "dry drunk" in terms of: his incoherence while speaking away from the script; his irritability with anyone (for example, Germany's Schröder) who dares disagree with him; and his dangerous obsessing about only one thing (Iraq) to the exclusion of all other things.

In short, George W. Bush seems to possess the traits characteristic of addictive persons who still have the thought patterns that accompany substance abuse. If we consult the latest scientific findings, we will discover that scientists can now observe changes that occur in the brain as a result of heavy alcohol and other drug abuse. Some of these changes may be permanent. Except in extreme cases, however, these cognitive impairments would not be obvious to most observers.

To reach any conclusions we need of course to know Bush's personal history relevant to drinking/drug use. To this end I consulted several biographies. Yes, there was much drunkenness, years of binge drinking starting in college, at least one conviction for DUI in 1976 in Maine, and one arrest before that for a drunken episode involving theft of a Christmas wreath. According to J.D. Hatfield's book, Fortunate Son, Bush later explained:

"[A]lcohol began to compete with my energies....I'd lose focus." Although he once said he couldn't remember a day he hadn't had a drink, he added that he didn't believe he was "clinically alcoholic." Even his father, who had known for years that his son had a serious drinking problem, publicly proclaimed: "He was never an alcoholic. It's just he knows he can't hold his liquor."

Bush drank heavily for over 20 years until he made the decision to abstain at age 40. About this time he became a "born again Christian," going as usual from one extreme to the other. During an Oprah interview, Bush acknowledged that his wife had told him he needed to think about what he was doing. When asked in another interview about his reported drug use, he answered honestly, "I'm not going to talk about what I did 20 to 30 years ago."

That there might be a tendency toward addiction in Bush's family is indicated in the recent arrests or criticism of his daughters for underage drinking and his niece for cocaine possession. Bush, of course, deserves credit for his realization that he can't drink moderately, and his decision today to abstain. The fact that he doesn't drink moderately, may be suggestive of an inability to handle alcohol. In any case, Bush has clearly gotten his life in order and is in good physical condition, careful to exercise and rest when he needs to do so. The fact that some residual effects from his earlier substance abuse, however slight, might cloud the U.S. President's thinking and judgment is frightening, however, in the context of the current global crisis.

One final consideration that might come into play in the foreign policy realm relates to Bush's history relevant to his father. The Bush biography reveals the story of a boy named for his father, sent to the exclusive private school in the East where his father's reputation as star athlete and later war hero were still remembered. The younger George's achievements were dwarfed in the school's memory of his father. Athletically he could not achieve his father's laurels, being smaller and perhaps less strong. His drinking bouts and lack of intellectual gifts held him back as well. He was popular and well liked, however. His military record was mediocre as compared to his father's as well. Bush entered the Texas National Guard. What he did there remains largely a mystery. There are reports of a lot of barhopping during this period. It would be only natural that Bush would want to prove himself today, that he would feel somewhat uncomfortable following, as before, in his father's footsteps. I mention these things because when you follow his speeches, Bush seems bent on a personal crusade. One motive is to avenge his father. Another seems to be to prove himself to his father. In fact, Bush seems to be trying somehow to achieve what his father failed to do - - to finish the job of the Gulf War, to get the "evildoer" Saddam.

To summarize, George W. Bush manifests all the classic patterns of what alcoholics in recovery call "the dry drunk." His behavior is consistent with barely noticeable but meaningful brain damage brought on by years of heavy drinking and possible cocaine use. All the classic patterns of addictive thinking that are spelled out in my book are here:

the tendency to go to extremes (leading America into a massive 100 billion dollar strike-first war);

a "kill or be killed mentality;" the tunnel vision;
"I" as opposed to "we" thinking;
the black and white polarized thought processes (good versus evil, all or nothing thinking).
His drive to finish his father's battles is of no small significance, psychologically.
If the public (and politicians) could only see what Fulbright noted as the pathology in the politics. One day, sadly, they will.

Katherine van Wormer is a Professor of Social Work at the University of Northern Iowa Co-author of Addiction Treatment: A Strengths Perspective (2002). She can be reached at: [email protected]
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:37 pm
As one who has a modicum of expertise on this subject, I would like to explain why the foregoing is a big steaming pile of horse pucky. I won't because I won't encourage the continued spamming of this thread.
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squinney
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:39 pm
You're a dry drunk?

Shocked


Well, hang in there. You'll be okay.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:40 pm
J_B wrote:

Lash I found your response to BBB neither hateful, nor sarcastic. I found it to be quite honest as was your answer to me. Thank you.

Focusing then on GW the man rather than the party Pres and platform, how is it that he has garnered an almost reverence when to me he is the epitome of all that I consider the antithesis of what a leader should be? What exactly did he do to earn your respect?


Thank you, and you're quite welcomed.

Per me--

Bush's post-911 actions were smart and tough, which is what I thought they needed to be. I had already been concerned that Hussein was providing assistance to terrorists and laughing at the rest of the world re the flimsy UN sanctions. (I find out now that was true and he was making off like a bandit.)

But, Bush gave the Taliban time to expel OBL before going to war with them. I thought he made faultless choices here. He put together am impressive network against terrorist interests. I believe if I'd had the information that I believe he had re Iraq, I'd have done the same thing. I agree with his vision of the results of taking that particular dictatorship and democratizing it--I agree that the results will be far-reaching and of vital importance to the world.

I don't think he's a bad guy. I am of the opinion that he's doing well in a horrible situation, and I feel strongly he's the best choice among the few other dismal ones. I have had a handful of criticisms against some of his policies, but this environment is choked with them, so I keep them to myself--and sometimes take the Devil's Advocate position just so SOMEONE will.
_____________________________________

Only a complete idiot believes that pap BBB and CI are posting, hence my 'Bush skins Barney and eats him' 'article'. Their 'efforts' in their particular arena are the best examples of the unfathomable depths political discourse has plummeted. In that realm, there is no thought, no judgement, no sense. After a bit of that, we are all infected.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:42 pm
That's OK, Fox.

They're so miserable, their Democrat GLOAT (LOL!!!) thread isn't nearly as busy.

Let's go over there.

Smile

I have some articles to share with them. One good turn does deserve another.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:44 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
J_B wrote:
Focusing then on GW the man rather than the party Pres and platform, how is it that he has garnered an almost reverence when to me he is the epitome of all that I consider the antithesis of what a leader should be? What exactly did he do to earn your respect?


What did he do to earn your hatred?


Not real sure I'd put J_B with the general Bushophobes. But for the general Bushophobes, I'd say mostly what Bush the Greater has done to earn their hatred is to consistently better them in the political arena, while rendering their inept attacks (Haliburton/Cheney, AWOL, "Dry Drunk" -which, like AWOL, has been around since he campaigned for and won the Governorship of Texas, "Moron" - though he holds more, and more prestigious, degrees than Kerry, and in fact received marginally better grades than did Kerry, and scored somewhat higher than did Kerry on his military entrance exams, and has beaten the best The Dems could throw at him every time he's run for office, "Foundering Economy/Exploding Deficit", "Net Job Loss/Jobless Recovery", "Misery Index", etc, etc, etc) more damaging to The Opposition than to him or his administration. That's gotta hurt. No wonder The Dems are angry.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 09:46 pm
True enough. Moreover the mud they sling is a good indicator of where they themselves stand.
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