Bush supporters' aftermath thread

That says it all George.

face it bush is going down like a pregnant pole vaulter. None of your chatter can change or prevent it. Keep dreaming your pathetic dreams.

One tends to see things in terms of things with which one is most familiar oneself.

Hey, I'm asking the questions here :wink:

It's not hatred. I learned a long time ago that hatred takes a tremendous amount of energy and for the most part the people you want to hate aren't worth the emotional energy it requires.

Its a total lack of respect. Even though I voted against Bush in 2000, I found myself among many people after 9/11 thinking we were better off with GW in the White House than we would have been with Gore. Not because of any abilities I perceived in jr but because I thought George I, Cheney, and Powell would be better equipped with the issues and recovery than any team Gore might have put in place. I still think that was the case.

My lack of respect comes from his inability to separate his fundamentalist religious ideology from his policy-making and practices in the White House, from his crusades to spread an American version of democracy into areas of the world where tribal warfare has been the way of life for millennia, from his manipulation of foreign policy to guarantee the future lock on the oil revenues from the middle east padding the pockets of his friends and family, from the smile on his face and the giggle in his voice as he stood in NO last week thinking there was ANYTHING worth smiling about...

I really didn't come here to dump. I'm more interested in what he's done to earn your respect.

Unconditional loyalty to the state. Is not the same as serving your country

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Do you suppose if we go over there, they'll stop spamming this thread with their unsubstantiated anti-Bush propaganda? If their thread wasn't so boring, they'd stay over there don't you think?

Things for which to respect Bush the Greater - well, lets see.
1) Engaged the enemy and took the fight to the enemy, despite what at times seems to be more opposition from so-called allies and "loyal opposition" than from the enemy itself
2) Enacted policies which reversed the Clinton Recession, holding its overall impact, even despite the added shock of 9/11, to a minimum, making it the shortest and shallowest recession we've suffered
3) Beaten the best the Democrats could throw at him every time he's run for office, and while President, garnered an unprecedented Mid-Term pickup in Congressional Seats, further securing the Republican majority - twice.


That'll do for starters.

You'd think, Fox.

They have something to perk up conversation over there now, though.

Unprecedented pick up at Mid Terms...

Bore a repeat.

And 2006 will make it a 3-peat.

Thanks Timber

Unprecedented pick up of seats... Ah, party loyalty.

I took great pleasure in cramming John Bolton up Kofi Annan's butt.
~W.

Squinney-- Not party loyalty--the will of the people.

JB, may I answer your question?

George Bush is no religious nut and he has received much unfounded criticism on that score, not to mention that the double standard applied to him is is stunning. I doubt he has evoked the name of God any more than Bill Clinton did, nor has he flaunted his faith for photo ops as Bill Clinton did. I thought Clinton was a dork to do that, but I didn't see it as particularly sinister. Howard Dean has flat come out and said he has made policy decisions based on his faith, and there is nary a murmer from the Left. What I admire about George Bush and his faith is he is not ashamed of it and, according to those closest to him, it gives him calm, strength, and courage in the face of overwhelming difficulties.

I appreciate his core values in most (not all) areas and the fact that he knows why he holds a conviction. He sticks to what he believes is the right thing however unpopular it might be portrayed. He doesn't get up in the morning and check the polls before he adopts his convictions for the day. He tells it like it is for him and he does what he says he will do. That is something pretty unique among presidents these days, but he does keep his campaign promises to the best of his ability.

I wish he could articulate what he is feeling and thinking better--a great communicator he isn't. I wish he took our illegal immigration problem more seriously, and I wish he was more fiscally conservative. There are times I wish we hadn't taken on Iraq, and there is no question that many things have gone wrong there, but I agree with his initial motives, and I admire that he knows what terrible consequences there will be should we fail to complete what we started there. The prudent thing is to be part of the solution to accomplish the speediest and more effective solution there. His critics don't want that I think.

I wish the hurricane crisis had been handled better. Did he make a mistake in the people he surrounded himself with? There are so many, there almost has to be a mistake or two in there somewhere. Does he bear the responsibility fo the hurricane and the failure of the system to work? No he does not. Did he make mistakes? Most certainly he probably did. But, those who criticize hm the most loudly for what he did or failed to do don't have a clue what he was actually doing. And they don't want to know. They just want to condemn him.

I wish he would just plain get mad sometimes and stand up and let his critics have it. Tell them to just f*ck off and help or get out of the way. I get frustrated that he just takes the blows passively.

I do know that all the hateful critics he has contribute nothing and add to the problems this country has. I choose to express what I want to happen when I think its going badly, and I want him to know I have his back when he is doing something good. I did that for Clinton. I don't think its too much to ask for this President.

And yet that is what you are doing.



I must have missed your questions on this subject. A short list would include the following;
1. Rejecting the Kyoto and ICC treaties - and ending the flaccid internationalism of the Clinton years.
2. The interventios in Afghanistan and Iraq - and ending the previous practice of evading difficult international issues.
3. Our policy with respect to Korea. - no more pay offs and butt kissing.
4. The tax cuts and ensuing recovery from the collapse of the economic bubble of the late '90s.
5. Seriously addressing the Social Security and related demographic issue.
6. Challenging the professional bureaucrats of the UN and the permanent staff of "diplomats" to live up to their responsibilities.

There's more, but this is a start.

I would also fault Bush for failing to better manage discretionary spending and for his rather obvious rhetorical limitations.

Why is this continually trumpeted as a Bush virtue? Upholding your convictions is indeed virtuous, but "sticking to your guns", as the lil' cowboy would prefer, in the face of misrepresented facts, massive domestic debtloads, thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of Iraqi deathes, a waning presidential popularity, increasing poverty in the richest nation in the world....is more of a sociopathic tendancy than what you would expect from the President of the United States of America.

You're can be serious .
It's unique because no one of sound mind ignores all that illustrates your impotence as a leader and holds it high beside the stars and stripes while whistlin' ol' dixie.

Perhaps "waking up and checking the polls" isn't the way to run a country, but perhaps whipping out the ol' moral compass that one refers to so often in his speeches might not hurt.

That's one thing I'm certain of. There is nothing wrong with his moral compass. He probably values much different things than you value, but then the decision has to be made as to which one of y0u is the most right, yes? Until you on the Left can articulate precisely what YOU would have done, or the plan YOU would have implemented, or exactly what YOU expect somebody to DO about a problem he or she faces, you have no moral authority whatsoever to stand on. It's so easy to armchair quarterback and write out demerits. Much tougher to sit up and outline a better plan of action.

Yes, the efforts to limit pictures of bodies and ban the media so the public isn't be reminded of the government's response to the storm, have been backed down.

Like the government's response to Iraq.


Do NOT let them see coffins.



Putrescent.