Bush supporters' aftermath thread

How to make America safe from terrorists...

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the percentage of Saudis expressing confidence in America shrank from 60 percent in 2000 to just 4 percent in 2004.

We'll note that is Saudis, for gods sake!
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18177

The New York Review of Books article you linked to doesn't provide it's reference for that data. Do you know where they came up with their numbers?

In the spring of 2000, on the eve of the Negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians that Clinton brought together at Camp David, a pole [sic] was done by the State Department. It asked people in Saudi Arabia whether they had confidence in the U.s. Over 60% of the Saudi public expressed confidence in the United States of America.
That's more than those in our own public who have confidence in our government. By the fall, after the collapse of negotiations, another pole [sic] reported that the percentage dropped down to about the 40s. By the spring, it dropped to almost the 30s, and kept dropping. After 9/11, it took a big hit. The collapse of confidence is definitely new, and that's what I see as the most significant change in attitudes in the region.

Zogby--America's most biased pollster...

The only polls that righties believe in are FOX polls.

I believe the one [poll] held November 2nd.

Will we defend ourselves?
Walter E. Williams (archive)

July 27, 2005

Much ado in our country and Europe has been made about alleged mistreatment and torture of suspected terrorist prisoners. First, there were stories and hand-wringing over the treatment of prisoners at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

More recently, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., equated our military's treatment of captured Taliban and al-Qaeda terrorist suspects, held at Guantanamo Bay, with something that would have "been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings." That statement not only demonstrates ignorance of the horrors committed by the Nazis, Soviets and Pol Pot, but it supplied ammunition for people seeking to destroy us.

Regardless of how we feel now about the treatment of terrorists, and suspected terrorists, I can envision a day when Americans will care less about interrogation techniques used in the quest to get intelligence about terrorists. That day will be when there's a chemical or biological attack in one of our cities that kills and injures tens of thousands of Americans. If that day ever comes, you can bet the rent money that the Dick Durbins, the Nancy Pelosis and others who've undermined and attacked our interrogation efforts, complaining about our not treating international cutthroats humanely, will blame the attack on President Bush. The last thing they'll do is blame themselves for sabotaging our efforts to get intelligence that might stymie terrorist plans.

It's tempting to invoke the Geneva Convention protections that are afforded prisoners of war. Geneva Convention protections did apply to Iraqi soldiers captured during our war with Iraq, but they do not apply to terrorists or even soldiers who are out of uniform. In earlier times, when common sense prevailed and we had the will to defend ourselves, that fact was understood and appreciated.

During World War II, German soldiers captured not wearing their own army's uniforms were lined up and shot. In 1942, a German submarine landed eight Nazi saboteurs on the beaches of New York and Florida. Two months after a secret military tribunal, convened by President Roosevelt, six of the eight were executed, even though they hadn't killed or bombed anyone -- just being here was enough.

For those of us who were around during World War II, can we imagine anyone, much less a government high official, having said, "The treatment of detainees is a taint on our country's reputation, especially in Germany, and there are many questions that must be answered. These questions are important because the safety of our country depends on our reputation and how we are viewed, especially in Germany"? If you substitute "the Muslim world" for "Germany" in that statement, you have House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's, D-Calif., statement.

Here's my question to you: If there's a biological or chemical terrorist attack, killing and wounding tens of thousands of Americans, how much would you care about "our reputation and how we are viewed in the Muslim world"? What will you think of leftist politicians, intellectuals and news media people preoccupied with whether we're treating Taliban and al-Qaeda detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to the Geneva Convention?

Let's be clear about one thing. I'm not suggesting that we treat captured terrorist suspects the way the Japanese treated American POWs during World War II. While harsh interrogation techniques are by no means a guarantee that useful information will be acquired to thwart a deadly attack, our interrogators should be permitted to employ every method at their disposal.

There's an important terrorism issue for Muslim communities, especially those residing in Western countries. They should be concerned about backlash and retaliation against Muslims in the wake of a large-scale disaster. Muslims must in no uncertain terms make it clear, as have spokesmen for the Free Muslim Coalition (www.freemuslims.org), that the terrorists do not speak for them, and they must report terrorists within their communities.

Here's my question to you: If there's a biological or chemical terrorist attack, killing and wounding tens of thousands of Americans, how much would you care about "our reputation and how we are viewed in the Muslim world"? What will you think of leftist politicians, intellectuals and news media people preoccupied with whether we're treating Taliban and al-Qaeda detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to the Geneva Convention?

Lash:

I just told you Zogby's record in presidential elections.

Whatever you might think of his personal opinions, he clearly does not allow them to intrude into his work because he has gotten within one percentage point of the final tally in three straight presidential elections.

Why just you can't recognize the excellence of the man's work and give him credit for it? Do only people you agree with politically deserve credit when it is proven they get it right?

Perhaps there is a skin patch that might help you get through this need to read nothing much but what supports simplistic ideology.

Actually, there were a couple of times he [Zogby] falsely had Kerry out in front, when other pollsters had aggregated at a few percentage points in Bush's favor.