Bush supporters' aftermath thread

Blatham writes

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Policies and strategies can be racist or sexist (Mehlman speaks of this element in the RNC's "southern strategy") and we understand the role of the contemporaneous Dem party in holding back legislation which, too, was effectively racist policy.

But THAT is the direction where our attention ought to be directed...to specific policies and strategies advanced by anyone which have a racist intent or consequence. And then, we have to be careful to get our data right and not be biased by partisan membership.

No quarrel with this unless there is a hidden agenda lurking within it. We might discuss the merits or lack thereof of a policy of assumed equality that draws no distinctions beween black, white, polka dot or whatever and one that infers minorities are victims and incapable of helping themselves without government assistance. Both may be well intentioned. Is either racist?

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Conservative Legal Group's Clout Growing

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I'm liking John Howard better by the day. Here's his response to a really dumb reporter today after the London bombings:

PRIME MIN. HOWARD: Could I start by saying the prime minister and I were having a discussion when we heard about it. My first reaction was to get some more information. And I really don't want to add to what the prime minister has said. It's a matter for the police and a matter for the British authorities to talk in detail about what has happened here.

Can I just say very directly, Paul, on the issue of the policies of my government and indeed the policies of the British and American governments on Iraq, that the first point of reference is that once a country allows its foreign policy to be determined by terrorism, it's given the game away, to use the vernacular. And no Australian government that I lead will ever have policies determined by terrorism or terrorist threats, and no self-respecting government of any political stripe in Australia would allow that to happen.

Can I remind you that the murder of 88 Australians in Bali took place before the operation in Iraq.

And I remind you that the 11th of September occurred before the operation in Iraq.

Can I also remind you that the very first occasion that bin Laden specifically referred to Australia was in the context of Australia's involvement in liberating the people of East Timor. Are people by implication suggesting we shouldn't have done that?

When a group claimed responsibility on the website for the attacks on the 7th of July, they talked about British policy not just in Iraq, but in Afghanistan. Are people suggesting we shouldn't be in Afghanistan?

When Sergio de Mello was murdered in Iraq -- a brave man, a distinguished international diplomat, a person immensely respected for his work in the United Nations -- when al Qaeda gloated about that, they referred specifically to the role that de Mello had carried out in East Timor because he was the United Nations administrator in East Timor.

Now I don't know the mind of the terrorists. By definition, you can't put yourself in the mind of a successful suicide bomber. I can only look at objective facts, and the objective facts are as I've cited. The objective evidence is that Australia was a terrorist target long before the operation in Iraq. And indeed, all the evidence, as distinct from the suppositions, suggests to me that this is about hatred of a way of life, this is about the perverted use of principles of the great world religion that, at its root, preaches peace and cooperation. And I think we lose sight of the challenge we have if we allow ourselves to see these attacks in the context of particular circumstances rather than the abuse through a perverted ideology of people and their murder.

PRIME MIN. BLAIR: And I agree 100 percent with that. (Laughter.)

http://corner.nationalreview.com/05_07_17_corner-archive.asp#070312

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So, I'm just wondering. Since Bush can't run for President again, can we borrow Howard when Australia is done with him? Smile

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http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/6454/bushdaddy1gx.jpg

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What Howard said are the facts, of course. I wonder why the detractors of the US/Oz/UK govts refuse to admit what he said is true.

Do they just hate losing so much that they'll say anything? They hate it so much that they'll put themselves at opposite ends from their own country and adopt statements and opinions that give preference to terrorists' agendas?

I really find it hard to give any credence to them for any good will lately.

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Lash wrote:

Do they just hate losing so much that they'll say anything? They hate it so much that they'll put themselves at opposite ends from their own country and adopt statements and opinions that give preference to terrorists' agendas?

Yes, they do:

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/revengerers_1.jpg

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Lash wrote:

<waiting for blatham to show up and chide CI>

I'm afraid I can't do much chiding in this instance. The subject is, at least in part, what Mehlman himself referred to - the southern strategy. The other issues too (voter intimidation, etc) are well enough documented.

Voter suppression is a campaign technique used undoubtedly by both parties in the US. Where it is employed with a consequence of a racial group being disadvantaged in casting votes, then that is racist in effect.

One could at least imagine a comparable example in the converse. If, say, Korean voters in California were overwhelmingly Republican, the Dems might initiate some strategy to confuse, trick, intimidate, or disallow Koreans to cast votes. Any such would be racist. But I know of no such examples. Does anyone?

The claim I have seen forwarded re Dems is a far more general (less available for statistical verification, if that is possible at all) claim which rides on the notion that social programs have weakened the spirit and initiative of African Americans, thus making them emotionally or financially dependent upon the Dem party - sort of 'racism through fostering eternal childishness'.

Though no small number of people believe something like this is 'true', the lack of means to determine it so ought to be faced. Likewise, one needs to look at the history of the propagation of "welfare queen" ideology.

But let's say that the southern strategy was clearly racist in effect, and that the black vote has been purposefully targeted for suppression in numerous districts under the tutelage of high level RNC operatives like Atwater and Rove. Even given that, one can't say that Lash or fox or tico or "Republicans" are racist. All one could validly claim is that racist policies and strategies have been put into play at the top levels of the RNC. I think the differentiation is very important.

As I mentioned earlier, I suspect the fact that black districts tend to have the lousiest voting machines isn't a consequence of any pervasive Republican strategy. I think it is a consequence of a still too pervasive institutional racism in the US, quite party neutral. (We have a similar problem in Canada involving native Indians, by the way.)

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And here is one example of how Obama will be slimed when the time comes...

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WASHINGTON - Sen. Bill Nelson predicted Republican attempts to oust him would get ugly as he sought re-election next year.

But even Nelson was caught offguard when told a Republican group was questioning whether he would be easy on sexual predators simply because he appeared with Illinois Sen. Barack Obama in historically black Eatonville, Fla.

After the appearance, the National Republican Senatorial Committee posted items on its Web site asking "Nelson Campaigns With Obama - Does He Agree With Obama's Record Of Lenience On Sexual Predators?" and "Does Nelson Agree With Obama's Refusal To Support Commonsense Measures To Keep Children Safe?" The site then listed votes Obama made as a state senator on issues like sex offenders, pornography and adult businesses near schools.

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/12213018.htm

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AFL-CIO Splinters, Spooking Some Democrats dealignment. They will be replaced by something else--like the unions are doing now.

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Sweeney has no one but himself to blame. The cause of this implosion is purely resentment of the way he's so cosely tied the AFL-CIO with the Democratic Party. The unions are as out of touch with the real world as the MSM/DNC, and just about as relevant.

The food workers and hotel workers unions are next and I bet they can't get out fast enough.

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They've been extorting money from union workers and lining Hillary and Co's pockets.

I think a working family has better things to do with their money than send a bunch of slimy Democrats and their mistresses to Hawaii.

Seriously....This is going to HURT the Dems.

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Probably not. It's a faily solid base not at all unlike the bubba vote for republicans..

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At least the bubbas are grown-ups.

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Yeah, you got me ther JustGiggles, If i've heard once I've 100 times the bubbas are the intellectual backbone of the republican party.

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At least the bubbas have a backbone.

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dyslexia wrote:

Yeah, you got me ther JustGiggles, If i've heard once I've 100 times the bubbas are the intellectual backbone of the republican party.

It's interesting that a person with your avatar (presumably a photo of the iconoclastic dys) might be mocking "bubbas."

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And below, we have the White House, a paradigm example of High Bubba...

-cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of prisoners is GOOD

-using interrogation techniques NOT approved in the new Army manual is GOOD

-hiding prisoners from Red Cross people is GOOD

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White House Aims to Block Legislation on Detainees

By Josh White and R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, July 23, 2005; Page A01

The Bush administration in recent days has been lobbying to block legislation supported by Republican senators that would bar the U.S. military from engaging in "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment" of detainees, from hiding prisoners from the Red Cross, and from using interrogation methods not authorized by a new Army field manual.

Vice President Cheney met Thursday evening with three senior Republican members of the Senate Armed Services Committee to press the administration's case that legislation on these matters would usurp the president's authority and -- in the words of a White House official -- interfere with his ability "to protect Americans effectively from terrorist attack."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/22/AR2005072201727.html

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Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
Yeah, you got me ther JustGiggles, If i've heard once I've 100 times the bubbas are the intellectual backbone of the republican party.

It's interesting that a person with your avatar (presumably a photo of the iconoclastic dys) might be mocking "bubbas."

Dys is no bubba. And the avatar is a photo of Dys, no presumably about it. Isn't he adorable? Dys fits into no category except his own.

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How to make America safe from terrorists...

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the percentage of Saudis expressing confidence in America shrank from 60 percent in 2000 to just 4 percent in 2004.

We'll note that is Saudis, for gods sake!
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18177

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Lola wrote:

Dys is no bubba. And the avatar is a photo of Dys, no presumably about it. Isn't he adorable? Dys fits into no category except his own.

He's definately not a bubba.

But his photo is ... rather good (keep the gun where it is, dys: I would never tell!). :wink:
(But Diane looks much better!!!)

I suppose, dys may be pigeonholed ... to the very best.

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