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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 04:57 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
When did you forget how to take a joke, Craven?


Well Craven's reply was a bit cranky. However he has invested a lot in this site, and I am willing to concede him the right to worry about that.

Disruptive people come in all political persuasions. If someone wishes to join in and poke a little fun or criticism at me or us here, I won't be harmed by it. We can always ignore or talk over them if we wish.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 04:58 pm
Why was it cranky George? Can't you guys take a joke?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 04:58 pm
OK, it wasn't cranky. What I mean is - it's OK.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 05:14 pm
<it was cranky>
<imagine I wrote this much smaller>
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gav
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 05:19 pm
hee hee hee Laughing
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 05:20 pm
I want my 2 dollars.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 05:21 pm
gav wrote:
hee hee hee Laughing


You not much of an irritant, but you are demonstrating to everyone on this BB that you lack class.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 06:03 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
I believe that means we value individuality, free expression and choice. We are not afraid of competition in the marketplace of ideas and thought. We are stimulated by challenge, not offended by it.

Let the sissies who wish to weep and mourn in private exclusivity, plan and reassess strategy in privacy, etc. have their way (I was chased our of one of these threads with great vigor and indignation.). However it is foolish of us to imitate their simpering ways. Let them in and if they are not utterly disruptive, welcome them.

I'm surprised to see you so critical of "The Roundtable", this invitation-only backroom of A2K that specifically started out as a safe haven for our Republican members. As I remember, you were a member of this forum-within-the-forum long before it opened up to members as left-wing as myself or nimh. I disagree the members there were sissies, and have only fond memories of the discussions there. You are being way too hard on your fellow conservatives. Wink

(EDIT: As there may be newer members who never heard of the Roundtable, please know that it doesn't exist anymore, so don't bother searching for it.)
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 06:08 pm
Well, Tico, you're certainly to be commended on your restraint in naming this thread, which is just further proof to me that you are sincere in your sympathy for the opposition. (Even Arnold said "losers", but notice my restraint LOL).

There are one or two regular posters in the Kerry camp that I really feel for, but that's all. If someone started a thread entitled "What lessons have we Democrats learned", you can imagine the replies. No one will convince the more rabid ABBers that there are NOT 60 million religious fundamentalists who are one issue voters, that issue being gay marriage.

I can't feel sorry for such closed minds and although I understand georgebob1's point, I have to admit I have enjoyed this thread where I can celebrate with those I've come to admire from their comments on these forums.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 06:27 pm
I couldn't agree more JW. For every person as gracious as Thomas, there was another too upset to discuss the outcome rationally. Can you imagine the celebration that would have gone on here had Kerry won? Shocked Sometimes the double standard makes itself more apparent than others. Considering it's a predominantly liberal website, though, it could be a whole lot worse.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 06:34 pm
I agree with both of you... I tried to give them an opening twice on the "Dems what can we do" thread and was greeted with insults or just ignored. They want to win over votes but only want to talk among themselves... seems a little backwards to me.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 06:55 pm
Just wanna say I'm ashamed of the treatment some of you folks have meted out to gav and steppenwolf or whatever their usernames are. Those who chose to participate in that exclusionary, elitist, petulant sniping demean themselves and diminish the principle of open, honest exchange of ideas. You sound like a buncha Democrats.

"They do it too" is no excuse. If you can't BE better than that, you ARE no better than that.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 07:04 pm
timberlandko wrote:
"They do it too" is no excuse. If you can't BE better than that, you ARE no better than that.

But my point was there is no need to be better than that, as I don't consider some self-chosen isolation a bad thing. If "insiders only" threads were the norm here, I would agree with George, but one out of hundred or whatever the current ratio is? No problem for me at all. Not when conservatives do it, not when liberals do it.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 07:14 pm
Thomas wrote:
I'm surprised to see you so critical of "The Roundtable", this invitation-only backroom of A2K that specifically started out as a safe haven for our Republican members. As I remember, you were a member of this forum-within-the-forum long before it opened up to members as left-wing as myself or nimh. I disagree the members there were sissies, and have only fond memories of the discussions there. You are being way too hard on your fellow conservatives. Wink


I wasn't being critical of the roundtable. Got an invite, visited it found it populated with a set of relatively thoughtful and knowledgable people and relatively free of the cacophony of the then very dominant majority of very vocal, very liberal posters on the other threads. Very interesting for a while, but after everything was said it soon became monotone and dull. I was dimly aware of the exclusivity and, apart from the subsequent fresh air of other, new viewpoints, was hardly aware if the change. I recall yoiu and Nimh as very interesting and challenging contributors who added to my enjoyment.

I suppose this involves some measure of hypocricy on my part. I accept it. However, I am unashamedly guilty of numerous other instances of political incorrectitude: I'm a member of a men only private club that is a frequent target of liberal attacks; I'll attend the restored Tailhook convention later this month; and I frequently overlook the convoluted euphamisms that increasingly constitute correct speech. Worse, I don't feel bad about it.

I am convinced that this thread will be improved for almost everyone here if we abandon the stupid prejudgements and labels that would deny entry of contributors who see things differently. I found the one from which I was so brusquely expelled for my (admitted) insensitivity, laughably smarmy and inverted. In fact I didn't even detect the meaning of the earlier, somewhat subtle suggestions that I (and others) buzz off. It just didn't seem possible that they could be serious about it. Wrong again.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 07:26 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
However, I am unashamedly guilty of numerous other instances of political incorrectitude: I'm a member of a men only private club that is a frequent target of liberal attacks; I'll attend the restored Tailhook convention later this month; and I frequently overlook the convoluted euphamisms that increasingly constitute correct speech. Worse, I don't feel bad about it.

And I don't think you should. My father is a Rotarian, we have discussed about its private-clubbiness extensively, and I have eventually come to realize that it's not really a problem.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 07:31 pm
Thomas has separately suggested that we shouldn't systematically oppose all instances of exclusivity, particularly in a site with as many options as this. I agree with that. Let the libreal sob sisters mourn in exclusive peace. I will not further disturb them, and I will try, just a little, to be more sensitive about it (No, that's a lie, I won't really become more sensitive.).

However, we Republicans (in and out of the closet), we few, we happy few, we band of brothers - we should not indulge in such outrages. We welcome contrary views. We recognize that no one, none of us, has an exclusive and unremitting grasp of the truth. We know that excellence in thought or deed emerges only out of the crucible of struggle and competition. We are not afraid of it. We are not afraid to see our ideas challenged, or even to modify them the face of compelling facts or argument. I believe this attitude is precious and we should not submerge it.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 07:42 pm
I never told gav to leave the thread. I just told him he was full of crap. But I digress...
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 07:51 pm
I apologize for this excursion from an otherwise interesting exchange of ideas on the election aftermath, the relations between Republicans, their positions and Democrats and theirs. To help restore it here is a preexcursion, thoughtful post which we may find as a renewed starting point.

music2myear wrote:
Over on the other forum I was the lone conservative (Hi Ho Sliver!) on somebody wrote that liberalism is based on the trust of people and conservativism is based on the distrust of the same (it was a quote so it had some better words and was a bit more obsequious in it's tone).

I find that ironic in that it would seem to me that Democrats generally run on the supposition that people need their help to survive. More welfare, cheaper prescription drugs (ever wonder why doctors will rarely tell you you've taken a drug long enough?), subsidize this, subsidize that.

Of course the Repubs will willing subsidize and assist, except they tend to prefer subsidizing businesses, who then employ people, who then don't need a government subsidy.

Then on election day the Democrats will (generally, of course some Repubs do this but to a much lesser extent) scream that we're disenfranchising voters because we want them to go to a specific polling place, because the ballots are too hard to understand, etc...

I get the feeling from all this that the Dems assume people that vote for them are stupid. That's not trust.

Therefore, let's dispell this myth that American Conservatives are generally conservative in the same vane as Hitler and Stalin. We are not.

Instead, the liberals are the ones who don't trust. Modern American Liberalism is very akin to old conservativism, we'd all be better off with the government for our nanny. Makes the matrix pretty appetizing. At least when we're in the matrix we get to pretend we have free will.
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Cobalt8
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 07:55 pm
Ok this seems like a fun forum, I just stumbled in here. Since I am too lazy to read the first 21 pages I will just pretend like I have. Ok I looked again it said Bush Supporters. How are we going to have a debate when we all agree and what did gav and steppenwolf do say Bush was going to barely win?

Ok a serious question please reply with astute, insightful, and pithy replies. Side Note: pithy is a trademark of Bill O'Reilly and Bill I am just looking out for you guy. On with the question, out of 30 or so friends and family I do not know of one that was voting for Kerry, well Helen in Florida did but she is an old friend of the family and 77 years old in other words I did not want to get back slapped so I let that vote ride. Seriously, if anyone knows of a person that voted for Kerry please give his reasons in a serious manner. If that person is French than do not post, it would only be redundant.

Ok I know how to get things rolling; I have $100 that says Bush will be a one term President that is correct I am sure he will not even try to get reelected 4 years from now.

Ok found this link last week on the Blogs it takes 6 seconds to load, with broadband. If this had been a commercial on TV he would of won by over 6 million votes.

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bommer/When_The_Man_Comes_Around.html

Ok lets start insulting Hillary......LOL
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HofT
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 08:20 pm
Cobalt, hello, and please read not 21 pages but the sign over the door: this is NOT a DEBATE thread, it is a VICTORY PARTY. If your LOL is an indication of happiness at the GWB victory you're welcome here!
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