realjohnboy wrote:#2: If it was a male and younger than Andy's dad, he would take off after him. He would catch him and tackle him and perhaps throw an elbow to the jaw or ribs in the process. He was proud to be a "big, honest, redneck."
He would return to the store with the purloined goods and a souvenir: a shoe, a shirt or a hat.
Oh, but that so wouldnt fly here <grins>
We had a sobering duo of stories this past year, on that count ...
The first time, it was a group of three clerks, who'd gone after a guy who had robbed their supermarket. The guy had threatened one of the (female) clerks with a knife - and the three guys ran out after him when he left and pursued him. Thing is, they caught him, and the police arrived by that time too, but then they kicked him still even after he was caught and held. So then
they were arrested, too, for manhandling the fellow.
It was a big case, on all the frontpages, and everybody got involved. The vox populi was on their side of course, cause Holland is one big city and people are totally fed up with petty crime and especially with the "senseless violence" involved in it all - and here were kids who actually did something about it, and they were punished! The judges, responding that they had simply crossed the line by kicking the robber even as he'd already been caught, were in the defensive as politicians from the (right-wing liberal) VVD and the List Fortuyn stood up for the clerks and Prince Bernhard himself (husband of the former queen) promised to pay their fine, should they be found guilty. He did. The (christian-democrat) minister of justice let it be known that he disapproved of that.
Skip to a few months on. Again a group of clerks in Amsterdam, five of 'em, had run after a thief - a shoplifter, a middle-aged woman. While trying to grab her and catch her, they kicked her and hit her. She collapsed, and she died. As it turned out, she was a homeless person, a well-known figure in the neighbourhood. She had tried to steal two cans of beer and a bag of dogfood.
This time the clamour of the vox populi went the other way, and the spot where she died turned into an impromptu memorial, with many Amsterdammers laying flowers there against "senseless violence". The Prince was forced to publicly declare that, of course, he regretted this case deeply.
Add to all of this that the clerks whose fine was paid by the Prince were arrested again a month or two later, for mistreating a man who had stolen a bottle of beer. Also add that in the first case, the robber had been black and the clerks white, and the second time the clerks had been Moroccan, and the victim German - and you get about a picture of what a jumbled big mess it all became, with politicians, judges, supermarket owners, neighbourhood groups all tangled up in the sordid chaos ... it's a small country, you know.
Eh - sorry about bumming up this thread ...