snood wrote: OCCOM BILL wrote:Might want to check yourself Snood. I'm disappointed in any group that votes overwhelmingly liberal. Statistically, blacks do this. Examine your own definition for Gaffe above and then see if you can find the contradiction in your reaching for the race card against lash in practically the same breath as forgiving Dean for simply stating the truth. I think the issue here is politics, not race.
You might want to withhold your advice until it's asked for.
You're neither the first nor will you be the last person to offer me
that advice. :wink: I'm going to separate your questions for clarity in my answers, not to be argumentative, so please don't take it that way.
snood wrote:Think what you like. You're "disappointed"?
Yes, I am. I am equally perpetually disappointed in the "Madison, WI" vote that consistently votes the same way... and my disappointment is for the same reason that has nothing to do with race.
snood wrote: Are you as "disappointed" in white males for voting overwhelmingly conservative?
No, I voted "conservative" this time around myself, so why would I be?
snood wrote:I think some white people feel the need to define the issues for black people - witness your attempt to tell me when an issue does and doesn't have to do with race.
I didn't consider your race in my response, at all, Snood. I would have attempted to persuade a white person the same way for the same reason... which had nothing to do with race.
My reaction to Dean's comment was about the same as yours, btw (yawn). You won't catch me reacting to race mentions unless there is malicious intent. While Dean
was trying to slam Republicans, I don't think he was trying to slam
Blacks. Nor did I take his comment's as belittling slavery or the struggle for equal rights. Personally, I see no issue to his words that a simple "I meant no offense" shouldn't cover. That being said, I think the collective reaction, be it an overreaction, an underreaction... or dead on accurate reaction should be consistent regardless of Party affilitation of the accused,
if it's going to be taken as a race issue.
snood wrote: I happen to think race is inextricable from american politics.
You're well within your rights to think so. I don't. <shrugs>
snood wrote: Again, some blacks present at Dean's "gaffe" were offended, some weren't. Such is the nature of a group of thoroughly human people. We don't all look alike, and we don't all think alike. I happen to be liberal about some things, but conservative in others.
We have no disagreement here.
snood wrote: What I read Lash doing (as is often the case when some white person perceives an event as something "blacks should decry" -like everytime Farrakhan opens his mouth) was trying to make some kind of judgement about what right thinking blacks should find offensive. It would have been one thing if he'd just said he thought Dean's comments were stupid, but that somehow wasn't enough.
I didn't perceive Lash's comments up to that point as a white person commenting on how blacks should feel. I'm probably not as attuned to picking stuff like that up (no judgment there, just a matter of fact). I perceived them as a person commenting on how a group should feel and that the color of the group was incidental, and the color of the speaker irrelevant. Again, any group that collectively voted Kerry overwhelmingly disappointed me. Blacks did this. Is there no politically correct way for me to feel this way about Kerry supporters AND recognize the African American Demographic as such? Where I thought you crossed the line was in implying that Lash's comments meant she was lumping all the blacks into the same category and you continue to do so with your "we don't all look the same" comparison. That's what moved me to commentÂ… because I don't look at blacks that way, yet I am disappointed by their collective (statistically undeniable) loyalty to the Democratic Party. Why isn't that a simple matter of statistical accuracy depicting the only logical conclusion a conservative could draw? Why does it have to be
about race?
I think everyone just laughed and it may have even helped him since it was a harmless error and it showed his human side... which probably served to highlight his opponent's lack thereof.
