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The continued reference to Mary Cheney by the Dems

 
 
JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 11:43 am
There was NO break with Bush.

Cheney: Now, he sets the policy for this administration, and I support the president.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 11:44 am
Except that it wasn't a public outing...

Really, why the outrage now and not after the veep debate? I don't recall anyone here mentioning it, at all.

Drunk driving is negative. Doesn't work.

What about Ron Reagan? He's not the offspring of a current candidate, but he's a much better analog because of his activism on an issue directly related to this election. Can he be mentioned?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 11:55 am
Soz- Meaning of sentences: First means that precedents of etiquette should be examined absent any particular names or particularly touchy subjects in order to be examined objectively. The next one means I don't think you and some of your peer's positions would survive such an examination. In other words: Absent strong feeling about the campaign itself, I would normally expect both you and Nimh to stand shoulder to shoulder with me on this subject. Probably most of remaining opposition as well.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 11:55 am
Mary Cheney has not gone on public record as being gay. It is a matter of her private life, which she has shared privately. There is a difference in dragging it across a TV screen. You may be gay, and your friends and family may know--but you must admit there is a difference in that--and having it announced by someone else without your permission in a widely public way.

McGreevey is out publicly. Ellen is out publicly. Rosie O'Donnell is out publicly.

As for the 'unspoken rule' of outings, do you remember the 80's, where privately gay people were outed against their will? It is considered bad form BY THEM, and for good reason. They deserve the say over whether or not their sexuality is private or announced to the world.

Should we announce how many abortions Kerry's daughters have had? Abortion isn't a bad thing, is it? Who should decide? Bush, Rove or Kerry's daughters?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 11:57 am
Of course Ron Reagan can be mentioned... He volunteered for it himself.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 11:57 am
Lash wrote:
.Should we announce how many abortions Kerry's daughters have had? Abortion isn't a bad thing, is it? Who should decide? Bush, Rove or Kerry's daughters?


If it makes you feel better and more righteous knock yourself out....
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:01 pm
It makes me feel more righteous to leave those girls to their own privacy.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:05 pm
Lash wrote:
It makes me feel more righteous to leave those girls to their own privacy.


then why did you bring up ther Kerry daughters abortions on a public forum?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:08 pm
Lash wrote:
It makes me feel more righteous to leave those girls to their own privacy.
Idea
And therein lies the real issue here.
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:09 pm
Lash wrote:
I think proponents of the public outing are missing the point. Its not gayness. Its the right to privacy of children of candidates, and ripping that privacy for political gain.

If the issue was drunk driving, and Bush had said to Gore during a televised debate, "Yeah, like Albert, Jr's drunk driving offense, I think the Gore family well knows the problems associated with this drunk driving..." Everyone would be completely aware that Bush was trying to use Gore's drunk driving history for political gain.


"Outing" is the wrong word here, Lash. Mary Cheney has been out as a lesbian for some time. Her mother was in denial about it all during the last election campaign, though, and apparently has some residual apprehension about her daughter's lifestyle choice. I can understand that. I'm trying to think of what is a better term... sensitive to the the delicate nature of the topic?

Also, your example of a drunk driving son would be fine if there were something wrong with being gay. Either there is, or there isn't; it's a moral call. But it's still a delicate topic for the mom, especially. I would think a more appropriate analogy would be to go into great detail about the death of Edwards son. I'm not even sure about how he died, but amplifying the horror of the situation to make a point would be in poor taste. It was more like that: a matter of poor taste. and I think he should apologize for it publically, but that people ought to note that at least he was sticking to the topic of the question posed. Unlike Bush who answered the question about minimum wage with an answer about education. Rolling Eyes
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:10 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Lash wrote:
It makes me feel more righteous to leave those girls to their own privacy.


then why did you bring up ther Kerry daughters abortions on a public forum?
I think I did that first... and as a hypothetical example of a parallel offense.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:13 pm
Oh so if you jumped off a bridge I guess Lash would too...
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:13 pm
Because BPB, I was making a point, and I feel it is made well.

Is it better for them that I posed the question here, or on national TV?

And, now that the point is made, I will say I don't know whether either of those girls has ever had an abortion. I don't want to know. Its none of my business.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:16 pm
and there is the irresponsibilty Lash...someone on page 11 of this thread reads you talking of the Kerry daughters abortions and never goes to page 12 to hear you say you don't know if they ever really had an abortion....they just tell a few friends you know I read today that the Kerry daughters have had abortions.......
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panzade
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:17 pm
If Gore had stated in his platform that he was seeking a Constitutional amendment barring drunk voters from driving your point would be well taken Lash.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:20 pm
and there is the irresponsibilty Lash...someone on page 11 of this thread reads you talking of the Kerry daughters abortions and never goes to page 12 to hear you say you don't know if they ever really had an abortion....they just tell a few friends you know I read today that the Kerry daughters have had abortions.......
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If they buy everything they see on a message board as fact, they have more serious problems than mistakenly believing Kerry's daughters had abortions. Almost sure you'd agree.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:21 pm
most people buy most any bullshit they read or see.....first rule of marketing.....
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:23 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
and there is the irresponsibilty Lash...someone on page 11 of this thread reads you talking of the Kerry daughters abortions and never goes to page 12 to hear you say you don't know if they ever really had an abortion....they just tell a few friends you know I read today that the Kerry daughters have had abortions.......
Shocked Don't let Dan Rather get ahold of this! Laughing

(Really Bear, you're overdramatic act is doing a shotty job of obscuring her very valid point. Idea)
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:26 pm
panzade wrote:
If Gore had stated in his platform that he was seeking a Constitutional amendment barring drunk voters from driving your point would be well taken Lash.
There is a perpetual push to amend on the abortion issue, Panz. How do you reconcile that example with this diversionary defense?
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:26 pm
PrincessP--

Why do you say Lynne was in denial? The Cheney's have welcomed Mary's lover into the family...

She was just not wanting her daughter's sexuality to become political fodder. Wouldn't you protect your child's privacy?
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