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The continued reference to Mary Cheney by the Dems

 
 
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Sun 6 Feb, 2005 09:39 pm
If you read sozobe's posts you know that parents who had been allowing their children all along to see the show a) would see it coming and b) having already understood the format of the show would not be surprised.

I don't agree that the Dept. of Education has a right to demand a conservative slant on education for all. Education should be apolitical, as you've argued in another thread.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Sun 6 Feb, 2005 09:41 pm
Doh. I missed the last one from soz. So, what she said.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 6 Feb, 2005 09:45 pm
Well indeed Fox It's true I have no sense of humor (liberals seldom do, but lots of democrats do, they nominated Kerry after all) I in fact have unusually high regard for most conservatives (must be my lack of humor) anywho sorry if I quoted you in my above remarks but thats what I was responding to, just your remarks. I do learn (slowly I admit) and shall refrain from quoting you in the future as it seems to be problematic for you.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 6 Feb, 2005 10:12 pm
Well if you didn't post my remarks as a criticism, then I apologize for suggesting that you did Dys. Otherwise, my comments stand.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 6 Feb, 2005 10:15 pm
as do mine.
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Diane
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 01:03 am
This is from Dys' first post about the South Africa program---it sometimes helps to read things twice:

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an interesting aside, in 2002 several republican members of congress suggested (strongly) that public funding of Sesame Street was problematic because (I'm not making this up) the sesame street program in south africa (funded entirely by South Africa, introduced a muppet character with AIDS (never shown in the US because it was totally a South African produced program)
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 06:42 am
How about if we get real on this whole issue...wouldn't that be refreshing!

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The Republican gospel on gay marriage

It's no secret that the Republican Party has been working for some time now to court America's black voters, once considered a reliable pillar of the Democrat's base. At Karl Rove's behest, the Bush administration has been forging alliances with prominent black evangelicals and the communities they represent, using the issue of gay marriage to get in the door. In a meeting organized this week by the Traditional Values Coalition, a far-right lobbying group with ties to the White House, 70 evangelical clergy sat down to draw up a "Black Contract With America on Moral Values," chief among which was opposition to gay marriage, reports the Los Angeles Times.

The right-wing Heritage Foundation, presumably an ally in the cause, has its own take on the matter. According to the L.A. Times, at the end of February Heritage will cosponsor a gathering of black conservatives in Washington designed to counter dominance of the "America-hating black liberal leadership" and to focus African American voters on moral issues.

As columnist Earl Ofari Hutchinson wrote recently, the GOP is banking on conservative attitudes about gay marriage among blacks to help grow its constituency in key swing states from the 2004 election, including Ohio, Florida and Wisconsin. In the past Bush has awarded large sums to black churches through his faith-based program, to help the Republican Party court black voters in general.

But too much focus on the fight over gay marriage might also start to work against the GOP, especially if other key issues fall by the wayside. At a meeting of black Baptist denominations last weekend in Nashville, gay marriage was far down on a long list of priorities that included education, health care, the job market and other pressing issues.

"While African-Americans have expressed certain sentiments that reflect opposition to an expansion of the gay homosexual agenda, there is still much more concern about bread-and-butter issues in terms of the public agenda that they would like to see their churches pursue," said Rev. R. Drew Smith, a Baptist minister who directs the Public Influences of African American Churches project at Morehouse College in Atlanta, according to the Chicago Tribune.

At one point Rev. Jesse Jackson addressed the delegates, who represent 15 million Americans. According to the Tribune report, he warned delegates to watch out for political trickery. Thousands of hands shot into the air when Jackson talked of a higher minimum wage, stable Social Security, affirmative action and an end to the war in Iraq, though no hands went up when he asked how many churches had blessed a same-sex union.

"How did that get in the middle of our agenda?" Jackson asked. "That's called a wolf in sheep's clothing. Beware."
-- Julia Scott
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room//index.html

We'll note that there is NO concern - none - regarding the consequences of forwarding such divisive strategies in order to gain political power. And power is all for Rove and this administration.



And to add to the fun, here is the following item from the salon column...
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Fair and buxom

You can't make this stuff up.

This afternoon on Fox News, Neil Cavuto spent a good chunk of time interviewing Focus on the Family's James Dobson. They talked about Dobson's efforts to fight abortion, they talked about the great SpongeBob controversy -- when you hear the words "tolerance and diversity," Dobson said, you've got to ask "what's behind it?" [blatham as editor note: clearly, commies and buttfukkers]-- and then they talked about the awful influence that TV is having on our kids. Dobson said that popular culture is "at war" with moms and dads all over the country. Cavuto clucked clucked right along with him, saying he was worried about what his kids see on TV and didn't know what he could do about.

Minutes later, Cavuto was on to another story: A fawning live interview with two large-breasted women, dressed only in their underwear, who will be appearing in Sunday's pay-per-view "Lingerie Bowl."
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 06:45 am
Added note...Rove, using the gay marriage strategy, is not merely going after the black vote, traditionally democrat, but also after the Catholic vote, traditionally democrat as well.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 06:53 am
And...

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"While causing harm to no one"

Here's more on today's New York Supreme Court decision on gay marriage. The court ruled that the New York's city clerk may no longer deny marriage licenses to gay couples. The decision, which is available here, won't take effect for 30 days, leaving time for an appeal to be filed before the city clerk would have to begin allowing gay marriages.

In her decision (PDF available here), Judge Doris Ling-Cohan begins with "Romeo and Juliet," travels through the sorry history of this nation's anti-miscegenation laws, and ends up at the same place the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court did last year. "Permitting plaintiffs to marry would confer innumerable tangible and intangible benefits for them and their children while causing harm to no one," Ling-Cohan wrote.

Ling-Cohan seemed to take aim directly at George Bush's argument that the issue of marriage should be left to legislators rather than "activist judges." She said "this same legislature deference" argument was used to fight the abolishment of laws that prohibited inter-racial marriage. Ling-Cohan rejected the argument in the case before her, saying that courts have both the jurisdiction and an obligation to rule when state laws violate state constitutions.

Then, in words the Christian right would like except for where they lead, Ling-Cohan explained that marriage is "without a doubt, the cornerstone of the family and our civilization."

"As marriage constitutes the most intimate of relationship," she wrote, "the decision of when and whom to marry is highly personal, involving complex reasons which vary from person to person. Thus, the decision to marry should rest primarily in the hands of the individual, with little government interference."

Ling-Cohan's solution, offered up in words that must sound like fingernails on the blackboard for the "family values" crowd: Henceforth, the words "husband," "wife," "groom" and "bride" in New York's Domestic Relations law "shall be construed to mean 'spouse,' and all personal pronouns . . . shall be construed to apply equally to either men or women."
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 08:47 am
I got a reply from the local PBS affiliate saying they won't show it. So now I get to continue this with the local PBS affiliate -- with a tiny hope of maybe accomplishing something! (Tiny, but...) Thanks for the practice, guys. :-)
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 08:53 am
Go get um, tiger!

Maybe your should challenge them to a game of scrabble?

Good luck Soz!
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 08:55 am
sozobe wrote:
I got a reply from the local PBS affiliate saying they won't show it. So now I get to continue this with the local PBS affiliate -- with a tiny hope of maybe accomplishing something! (Tiny, but...) Thanks for the practice, guys. :-)


Good luck, soz. If anyone can do it, you can.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 09:06 am
Diane writes
This is from Dys' first post about the South Africa program---it sometimes helps to read things twice:

Dys's post
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an interesting aside, in 2002 several republican members of congress suggested (strongly) that public funding of Sesame Street was problematic because (I'm not making this up) the sesame street program in south africa (funded entirely by South Africa, introduced a muppet character with AIDS (never shown in the US because it was totally a South African produced program)


To which I responded:

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As I did not know anything about the South Africa Sesame Street incident, I educated myself after reading numerous references both from those who want this to be something sinister and from those who are reporting it as it was intended. The letter was written in response to MEDIA reports that it would be aired in the USA.


Indeed it helps to read everything twice. Or even once.
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Diane
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 10:39 am
Oh, forgive me, after reading your post after the one Dys posted on the South Africa program, in which you said......

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Good grief. We're funding PBS in South Africa?


......I must have misunderstoond that you didn't understand what you had read so carefully. Cool
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 02:34 pm
I move that we conclude this thread with the following well-founded propositions:

1) denying homosexuals the same rights as everyone else is a form of bigotry, and stands in contrast to the principles laid down in the bill of rights and constitution.

2) those who don't much like homosexuals, or who do much like this administration, won't accept any of these propositions.

3) we are involved in a dispute which, though it has a very real civil/human rights and constitutional aspect, making it a dispute worth fighting, we are in danger of losing sight of why this dispute is being pushed to the fore by Rove. As a consequence, we are in danger of playing into his hand.

4) We might be better off doing precisely what he is doing, ie, finding issues which will eat away at the conservative voter base. The tide has turned on this issue (as evidenced by Canada, by the Massechusset's court finding, and the NY court finding). We've won. Homosexuality is now a part of mainstream culture (Will and Grace, etc) and our kids are much further advanced than we were at their age on this matter. To them, it is of little more consequence or interest than hair color.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 02:45 pm
Guess what I'm watching this second!

Had to throw that in. It's a heterosexual white family on a farm though -- cute animals.

Blatham, I don't necessarily disagree, but I don't think hyperbole serves any particular purpose and even I find much of the above counterproductively hyperbolic. Part one is nice but doesn't necessarily apply. Does anyone have the right to appear on TV? Part two is too general. Part three is unclear. Who's in danger of losing sight? Why do you assume as much? Danger of playing right into his hands how? Part four gets at something we've argued often (whether we should adopt strategies even if we deplore the way the strategies are currently being used) and is far from objectively "well-founded".

Here's what I'll take away from this -- think globally, act locally. I'll let you know how the local PBS thing goes.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 03:04 pm
good luck on local...and lack of a second noted.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 03:07 pm
Ah, Blatham, always trying to find the partisan side to things. While I must refrain from arguing on behalf of that mindless bigot who wrote the station, I can help you here.

Rove and his petty politics isn't your biggest enemy. Kennedy, and his ill-timed idiotic outbursts isn't your biggest enemy. Kerry, and his inability to hold a conviction from one day to the next, isn't your biggest enemy. Boxer, who went as far out of her way as senatorially possible to alienate the minority vote, isn't your biggest enemy. A tendency for democrats to behave like uppity elitist snobs (getting warmer), isn't your biggest enemy.

No, there is a more compelling issue deep within the heart of Americans and like it or lump, you can't beat it. It is there, like a living breathing entity and you cannot manipulate it no matter how hard you try. It sees right through lies and diversions and it simple cannot be overcome. Adapt, or lose every election from this day forward.

Now since I think I'd almost prefer my country in the hands of a weathervane like John Kerry and to hear you gloat than have to suffer through this much whining again 4 years from now, I may just share the secret that has eluded you for so long.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 03:19 pm
Please don't - let us not, for goddess' sake - have some kind of hyperbole bout between you and Blatham.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 03:45 pm
Worry not Deb: Blatham is my buddy and he's even now, as we speak, looking into operations so that he may one day carry my baby.

Okay... are you ready for the secret? Forget that silly political mumbo jumbo, we Americans don't care about irrelevant crap like that. The more you poor your heart about issues that really matter to you, the more you bore us to tears. Learn to play an instrument, or make a movie with a monkey! That's how you win our hearts and minds. It all comes down to who do we like more. Yes, that really is all.









Which one of these guys was more likeable? Which guy won?
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/04/bush.kerry/top.bush.kerry.split.0804.a.jpg
Which one of these guys was more likeable? Which guy won?
http://www.greatdreams.com/bush-gore.jpg
Which one of these guys was more likeable? Which guy won?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38923000/jpg/_38923581_clinton_dole_300.jpg
Which one of these guys was most likeable? Which guy won?
http://www.debates.org/media/his92a.jpg
Which one of these guys was more likeable? Which guy won?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/debatingourdestiny/debate_images/date_page_images/bush_dukakis.jpg
Which one of these guys was more likeable? Which guy won?
http://www.debates.org/media/his84a.jpg
Which one of these guys was more likeable? Which guy won?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/debatingourdestiny/images/reagan_carter_photo.jpg
Which one of these guys was more likeable? Which guy won?
http://www.debates.org/media/his76.jpg

So save your serious speeches and concerns and pick the most likeable candidate you can find... and then do something useful like smoke a fat one (just don't inhale) or do some lines (just don't admit it) and have some fun! Once you understand what really matters, it should be easy to fill the order. At this juncture; I'll tell you right now; your very best bet would be to put this guy...
http://www.ift-aft.org/news/images/Obama.jpg
...on the fast track. Don't worry about his lack of experience... if you've been paying attention you should realize by now that doesn't really matter. Americans don't care about silly stuff like that.

If you think this post is just a silly joke, start over again at the top and look closely at the pics while pondering the questions that precede them. :wink:
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