The continued reference to Mary Cheney by the Dems

Okay, Nimh, my solution is fatally flawed. Scratch that part and look at the rest of what I wrote (I knew I shouldn't have included it there).

Foxfyre, did you read what I posted? That's exactly what was being measured. "As it stands, most of the studies that do exist have focused not on sexuality but on 'functioning,' a concept measured by the Child Behavior Checklist, a standard assessment form that has been applied to hundreds of thousands of kids around the world."

One of these studies on function... not sexuality... "found no significant differences among the children."

Note, I am not saying that it has been definitively proven -- the first sentence I quoted notes that no definitive study exists. I'm saying that any negative effects have not been definitively proven, and there is in fact evidence that kids do as well or better with gay/lesbian parents than straight ones.

Did you get to reading the second paragraph of Soz's post at all, Foxfyre?

Here it is again:


Looks like the data here, if anything, disproves the notion that "overall kids from homes with moms and dads simply do better". You have any data of your own to show us?

Ah - Soz already pointed out the same. Does help, you know, reading posts before rejecting them.

Soz's post also commented on the sexualty of children as well as functioning. I don't see where I rejected anything.

I will withdraw from the thread, however, as we've already fought this battle on another thread and the considerable data I came up with then was rejected by the "I'm-not-going-to compromise-on-this-issue-because-its-my-way-and-to-hell-with-what-anybody-else-wants-or-needs" people who will almost certainly reject it again. I simply don't want to expend the considerable time necessary.

My bottom line is that there are valid reasons to compromise rather than having one side give up everything so the other side can have it the way they want it.

I'm late to this thread, but have a couple things to ad. One is, I don't see how allowing gay marriage is asking anyone to give up anything. The other thing is that, studies do show that children from two parent homes do better. Conventionally, that has meant a mom and a dad, but there is no reason to believe that those conclusions would not also apply to a same sex couple.

Sorry if those have been mentioned before. I abandoned this thread a long time ago when it was still about the faux rage over Kerry's comment.

Duck, I identified this thread for the decoy it was within the first few posts.
65 and some-odd pages later, the bush/CHENEY coterie (the Nixonian Cabal) is still nursing the Farce along.

It's all about MISREPRESENTATION... deceptive packaging and labeling.
The charlatan always endeavors to distract with one hand... while the other performs the trickery.

It's about a "Strategery" based upon FRAUDULENT intent... like the underlying motivation behind "WMD" claims AND the "need" to "privatize" Social Security.

THIS un-affiliated" voter has noted the source of the flagrant decoy-action... and vows undying opposition to the con-artists.

BBB
I favor a happy two parent home---whenever possible. However, I think the most important reason HAPPY two parent homes are better is:

Two people can spend more time with their children;

A majority have two incomes, leading to better education opportunities;

If only one income, the parent not working outside the home can concentrate on the family's well-being; but the income of the working parent must be quite high to make this possible. This usually won't work for low income families;

The difficulty for one parent homes is the stress and lack of time for family matters because of having to earn a living, take care of the home in all family demands, see to all the children's needs. Hard to find time to help with homework, support children's activities, and just be there when the children come home from school. Keeping children safe from drugs, crime, etc. is harder to accomplish;

It is clear to me that economic conditions shape the decisions one or two parent families have to make. It is economics that determine whether it is a house or apartment and the quality of the neighborhood and its schools and support for children that makes a huge difference.

As long as children have at least one loving parent who can provide a safe and nurturing environment for children, the ungrateful brats will eventually turn out ok. :wink:

BBB

nimh,

Is that a mouse in a maze in your avatar? Before I knew who you were, I thought it was National Institute of Mental Health. That's what those initials have meant to me since they awarded me a full tuition scholarship and living stipend for graduate school. Hehehehehehe

It's a rat. Brandishing a chainsaw. To cut a way through the maze. To nowhere, probably.

So the NIMH reference you mention may well still be appropriate.

OK, for some comic relief from The Borowitz Report ...

KERRY RIPPED BY SWIFT BOAT LESBIANS FOR TRUTH
Gay Daughters of Boat Vets Unleash Attack Ads

Negative ads blasting Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry hit the airwaves today in a campaign financed by a group calling itself Swift Boat Lesbians for Truth.

The group, composed entirely of gay daughters of swift boat veterans, appears to be attempting to drive a wedge between Mr. Kerry and a traditionally Democratic voting bloc, the so-called "NASCAR Dykes."

In the ads, the swift boat lesbians angrily denounce Mr. Kerry for bringing up Vice President Dick Cheney's gay daughter Mary in the third and final presidential debate.

"With America under attack by both Iraq and France, the last thing we needed was for John Kerry to out Mary Cheney," says one of the swift boat lesbians. "By talking about Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter, John Kerry has made our country less safe."

Perhaps feeling the heat, Mr. Kerry today shifted his position on Ms. Cheney slightly, telling an audience in Wisconsin that he believed the vice president's daughter was bisexual.

But the swift boat lesbians immediately fired back with a new attack ad, charging, "When it comes to Mary Cheney, John Kerry wants to have it both ways."

BUSH ADMITS LIP-SYNCHING TO TAPE OF CHENEY
Acid Reflux Blamed

President George W. Bush revealed today that he suffers from a sore throat brought on by acid reflux disease and that for the past four years he has extensively lip-synched to vocal tracks furnished by Vice President Dick Cheney.

Mr. Bush was forced to make the admission after an embarrassing incident at a campaign rally in Ohio, during which Mr. Cheney's disembodied voice came booming through the public address system while Mr. Bush was busy kissing a baby.

After a stunned silence fell over the audience, Mr. Bush revealed his medical condition and said that he frequently had Mr. Cheney's voice piped in through a bulge in the back of his jacket.

The president added that although acid reflux disease was a serious illness, he was not in favor of using stem cell research to find a cure for it.

[..] In other campaign news, President Bush said that the U.S. was doing everything in its power to locate 380 tons of missing explosives in Iraq, adding, "We are checking eBay every day."

Elsewhere, Barb and Jenna Bush hit the campaign trail today to make an impassioned pitch for their pet issue, the importation of cheap beer from Canada.

PETA SEEKS TO BAN ANIMALS FROM POLITICAL ADS AFTER COYOTE EATS OSTRICH
Kerry Drops Plans to Use Tortoise, Hare

The animal rights group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) is seeking a total ban on the use of animals in political ads after a coyote ate an ostrich during the filming of an ad for Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry.

According to a Kerry aide who witnessed the commercial shoot, an ostrich symbolizing President George W. Bush was supposed to stick its head in the sand while a coyote representing foreign terrorists appeared ominously in the background, but "we forgot to feed the coyote."

Instead of remaining in the background, the aide said, the hungry coyote pounced on the ostrich and swallowed it whole.

Under pressure from PETA and other animal rights groups, Mr. Kerry has now scrapped plans for new negative ads that were to have featured a tortoise, a hare, a grasshopper and an ant.

But with just one week to go until Election Day, Mr. Kerry may have already alienated a traditional Democratic constituency: bird-loving whack-jobs.

Campaigning in Florida today, Mr. Kerry was repeatedly interrupted by hecklers in the audience chanting "Goose killer! Goose killer!

Mr. Kerry departed from his prepared remarks to acknowledge that he did in fact go hunting for geese last week, but added, "I missed."

[..] He also accused the White House of using the war on terror for political gain, noting that the Department of Homeland Security had recently raised the terror alert from "yellow" to "liberal."

Heh.

very funny, nimh.

Hey, about this thread ... cant we, like, solemnly bury it for good tonight or something, on the occasion of the elections having taken place and all that? I'll throw the last handful of sand on its silly casket ...

An illuminating thread despite those that denigrated it...

second handful of sand..........

Who did that? I thought it was interesting enough.
Third handful of sand.

(Although, SNL hasn't come up off of it yet. I wonder if they will this week.)

Fourth!

Looks like stupidity breeds ignorance.

Or is it the other way around?

In any event, it is a sad testament in this thread when the continued and desperate spin only seems to equate to a solid Kerry victory, as well as a possible retaking of the Senate.

At least Kerry will have a mandate, which certainly wasn't the case when the idiot that is Bush was placed in office four years ago.

But you keep on trying, JW. It just looks more idiotic with every single post.