The continued reference to Mary Cheney by the Dems

Lash wrote:


There are a few other women some might like to see muzzled around here, Sofia........but I think neither you or I would let um get away with it. I'm sure we'd both look bad in a muzzle.....

Anyway, Thersa Kerry is no more aggressive than many women around here on the policital threads.

and yes, Soz, I saw Kerry photo-opting very nicely on TV this morning. He was watching the game from his hotel room. Drinking beer and all........

I think she is not only more aggressive, but insulting to women who choose to stay home and raise their children--and I would NEVER tell them they didn't have a REAL job--as Teresa did.

Being a stay at home parent is one of the hardest jobs in the world.

Aggression isn't Teresa's problem--being outspoken isn't the problem... Being snotty and dismissive of other people is her problem.

and you and I aren't?

You can speak for yourself.

Teresa Heinz statement reveals she doesn't believe staying at home and raising your children is a REAL job. She dismissed a pretty tidy bloc of people. I can't recall you doing this, though you would know better than I...

I still don't know what Theresa said -- just did a Google news search but nothing (wasn't quite sure what to look for either) -- link, anyone?

And yeah, the DeMint thing is way sad.

Teresa said she wasn't sure Laura Bush had ever held a real job... So, what does that say about women who chose to stay home to raise their children? It insults a very valuable group of people, who are doing one of the most important jobs on the face of the earth, IMO.

I don't think Kerry will do too well with the stay at home demographic.

Teresa later apologized--saying she'd forgotten Laura had been a teacher--still pissing off stay at home mothers...

...and DeMint needs to go. That's outrageous. I hope the GOP withdraws support and makes a statement.

Of course, the Democrats don't say anything when their hood-wearing bigots goof up.

I think this is an extreme statement, with little to back it up. What she said means that to you.......you assume that's what it means, but it doesn't seem to damning to others.

I thought Laura Bush was honest about it. She said it didn't hurt her feelings, and she understood how hard it is when you're pelted with "trick" questions........"trick," that was her word. I think we should leave politicians wives out of this............after all, aren't we discussing dragging Mary Cheney's name into politics?

Its not extreme at all. She said she didn't think Laura Bush had ever had a real job.

Interested to see how you would translate that sentence.

We were discussing John Kerry dragging a lesbian daughter around on a stage for political points.

Bush nor Laura cast any aspersions about Heinz. Once again, she is the offfensive one-- The Bushs were gracious.

Hillary Clinton made a remark about staying at home and baking cookies too........but Bill was still elected.........twice.

I guess the bottom line with you is if it affects him getting elected.

The bottom line with me is it was just a shitty, dismissive, comment belittling women and devaluing children--which revealed that woman's core.

However, with women trending toward Bush--and that Heinz freakshow stabbing her husband in the stomach every time she opens her mouth--it just may be a deciding factor.

Found a link!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3762894.stm

Well, the stay-at-home mom demographic, you know who that is. <Bows deeply.> I made a point of having professional experience before I had a kid, and plan to go back to.. working outside the home. (Yes, the temptation to say "real job" is there for me too, again part of the very stay-at-home demographic that is supposed to be so offended.) I do tend to have less respect for someone who does not work when the kid(s) are at school all day, for example. I know someone who worked briefly before she got married, had kids, and then has been a stay-at-home mom ever since -- though her kids are now all grown. There are many things about professional dynamics that she just totally doesn't get -- I can see how that would be an issue for a first lady for example, a modern first lady at any rate.

In fact I think that may have been a big part of what Theresa was getting at, that Laura is much more in the Ladybird/ Jackie vein of gracious hostess/ ornament rather than the Hilary or even Nancy vein of having the ear of the most powerful man in the world. Laura's not very modern in that regard. Nobody really thinks she has any particular influence beyond "stand up straight and don't scowl."

But Laura has indeed worked, not sure when that was, and I do indeed think that's to her credit. What was she doing before Bush became governor?

There is nothing gratious about the little narcissistic, pompous fool named George Bush. His wife is maybe gratious or she's getting good advise from Karl.........but only a very passive, forgiving wife could put up with the husband Laura has. He's a very mean drunk.

She was being a stay at home Mom of two very difficult daughters and an even more difficult husband.

There is more to Laura than the others. But I can't admire her for what she's put up with.

Raising her two daughters up to be drunken hellions.

Time for you to dispense with the faux outrage, Lash.

Apology made and apology accepted by the involved parties. As a matter of fact the First Lady even said that an apology wasn't necessary.

CNN did a nice job on this one. It's a little more complete.

Heinz Kerry:

"Well, you know, I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good. But I don't know that she's ever had a real job -- I mean, since she's been grown up. So her experience and her validation comes from important things, but different things."

Laura Bush:

"It didn't matter to me. It didn't hurt my feelings. It was perfectly all right that she apologized. She didn't have to apologize. I know how tough it is. And actually I know those trick questions."

I'd say Laura Bush was more than gracious (as Lash pointed out), in stark contrast to John Kerry's demeanor (Rove?)

I'll decide what I don't like.

Laura Bush can take care of herself. I strongly resent the implication that women who choose to stay home with their children aren't doing real work.

Did your mother raise a drunken hellion? Didn't we all drink? Did Dean's wife raise a drunk thief? Shouldn't Tipper have kept her fat ass at home raising that drunk driving kid that could have killed innocent people because he's such a drunk?

You're very falsely selective in what is right and wrong.

She devalues children when she tells their mothers staying with them isn't important.

Lola-- How anyone with a professional degree can think theuy know George Bush was a mean drunk is just ridiculous. Do you believe every bit of pap you read? Or only what you have a preference to believe?

I believe what I've observed.

Jenna and Barbara went to school with my daughters.......I've seen enough to make up my own mind. Believe me, I know he is a very mean drunk.