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The continued reference to Mary Cheney by the Dems

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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 12:51 pm
Laughing Lola, see if you can find the contradiction here. :wink:

Lola wrote:
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Lola, I used the word "inappropriate" because that's what the poll asked. Foolish would have been my choice... and judging by your reaction... that's just a bit stronger but the same basic direction of your own. How can you blame the Cheney's for perpetuating what John Kerry started without admitting John Kerry started it? The GOP didn't convince 40% of Kerry's supporters the comment was inappropriate...
They didn't have to.


This issue wouldn't be discussed at all if Lynn Cheney hadn't gotten up, as soon as the debate was over, and made a big deal out of it. Some may have discussed it.........and of course, if not Lynn Cheney, Rove would have put the idea into the mouth of someone to start up the diversion. But it was Lynn C. who started the ball rolling.


If Rove was going to make sure someone pointed out John Kerry's error, then you're saying it's somewhat arbitrary who it was... And we all know Rove would do this. That's his job. We do not know that the gasping press row wasn't going to shine the spotlight on it anyway... indeed, we don't know that that isn't precisely what happened. We do agree that someone was going to make sure that it was pointed out, though. Now, if all that is true, than only one person on earth could have prevented it... by not starting it in the first place. And his name is...
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 12:54 pm
OCCOM BILL:

Kerry did NOTHING wrong. And besides, Cheney started it weeks ago at a town hall meeting campaign rally. Then Edwards mentioned it, only to be thanked by Cheney.

The only difference here is that Kerry is running president, and the GOP obviously has a big problem with homosexuality.

Plain and simple.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 12:59 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
Kerry's remark was only innappropriate to those who wish to conceal their own homosexual brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, and mothers and fathers, from the voters who matter most to the GOP:

The religious conservative vote.

Christ, why do you think African Americans mostly vote Democratic?
Well, according to that disconnected pile of rot; it must be because they're family units are made up primarily of homosexuals. Laughing

Dookiestix wrote:
This is just so plain and simple.
It wouldn't appear so, to you at least.

Dookiestix wrote:
Why can't neoconservatives understand this?
Hmmm, maybe because it doesn't make a lick of sense. Idea
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 01:03 pm
OCCOM BILL:

Ah, full of insults today, eh?

I find that very sad. I also find it extraordinarily sad that you don't really seem to understand the political process and how it works today.

So be it.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 01:05 pm
Laughing
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 01:14 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Laughing Lola, see if you can find the contradiction here. :wink:

Lola wrote:
Quote:
Lola, I used the word "inappropriate" because that's what the poll asked. Foolish would have been my choice... and judging by your reaction... that's just a bit stronger but the same basic direction of your own. How can you blame the Cheney's for perpetuating what John Kerry started without admitting John Kerry started it? The GOP didn't convince 40% of Kerry's supporters the comment was inappropriate...
They didn't have to.


This issue wouldn't be discussed at all if Lynn Cheney hadn't gotten up, as soon as the debate was over, and made a big deal out of it. Some may have discussed it.........and of course, if not Lynn Cheney, Rove would have put the idea into the mouth of someone to start up the diversion. But it was Lynn C. who started the ball rolling.


If Rove was going to make sure someone pointed out John Kerry's error, then you're saying it's somewhat arbitrary who it was... And we all know Rove would do this. That's his job. We do not know that the gasping press row wasn't going to shine the spotlight on it anyway... indeed, we don't know that that isn't precisely what happened. We do agree that someone was going to make sure that it was pointed out, though. Now, if all that is true, than only one person on earth could have prevented it... by not starting it in the first place. And his name is...


If she had actually said it wasn't Kerry's mistake, then this would be a great argument. Idea
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 01:31 pm
kickycan wrote:
If she had actually said it wasn't Kerry's mistake, then this would be a great argument. Idea

I'm not following you here Kicky. Where did I suggest she did. For that matter, where does the word mistake appear from either of us in what you quoted?

Can I keep the compliment anyway? :wink:
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 02:44 pm
Billl, I forgot what a damn hairsplitter you are. I take everything I said back! Laughing

Yes, you may keep the compliment.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 02:45 pm
By the way, putting that cheesehead on ol' Gus is a sacrilege!
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 03:36 pm
kickycan wrote:
Billl, I forgot what a damn hairsplitter you are.

You try defending right leaning ideas against Setanta, Craven, Nimh etc. and see if you don't become a hairsplitter too!

kickycan wrote:
Yes, you may keep the compliment.

WooHoo! Smile

kickycan wrote:
By the way, putting that cheesehead on ol' Gus is a sacrilege!

That's the point. I'm trying to flush him out. Twisted Evil
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 03:41 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
kickycan wrote:
Billl, I forgot what a damn hairsplitter you are.

You try defending right leaning ideas against Setanta, Craven, Nimh etc. and see if you don't become a hairsplitter too!


I see your point. Smile
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Magus
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 06:26 pm
The hair of a difference of opinion can be quite irritating...
dependent upon the LOCATION of the hair.

Where IS that hair?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 06:37 pm
obill wrote
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f Rove was going to make sure someone pointed out John Kerry's error, then you're saying it's somewhat arbitrary who it was... And we all know Rove would do this. That's his job. We do not know that the gasping press row wasn't going to shine the spotlight on it anyway... indeed, we don't know that that isn't precisely what happened. We do agree that someone was going to make sure that it was pointed out, though. Now, if all that is true, than only one person on earth could have prevented it... by not starting it in the first place. And his name is...


Immediately after the debate I left Cspan and ran the news channels to catch some of the spin.....I went to CNN first. They have this little moving graph thing on their focus groups indicating negative and positive response while the candidates are speaking. The most negative moment of the night among both Bush supporters and Kerry supporters, according to CNN, was when Kerry mentioned Mary Cheney. This was within 5 minutes of the end of the debate and Karl Rove hadn't had time to put any spin on it. It was a major gaffe by Kerry.

This week's gaffe comes from Mrs. Kerry who blurted out that she didn't think the first lady (Laura Bush) had ever held a real job. She later was reminded that Laura had been a teacher and issued a remarkably gracious apology for her earlier remark. Mr. Kerry should have done the same.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 06:48 pm
Good catch Foxy. Mrs. Kerry's not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to knowing when to talk. This close to the election, I'm surprised she's not shackled in the basement with a gag. The last thing his campaign needs right now are cameras and microphones pointed her way.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 06:53 pm
She did cover it well though. I suspect somebody else wrote the positively gushing apology though--sure didn't sound like Ter-eeeeez-ah Smile
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Magus
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2004 12:04 am
Curious, isn't it, how the ideas of things like shackling people in basements, gagged...
always seem to come from the same particular partisan faction!

Not that Sen. Kerry doesn't have HIS share of whacko supporters...
but the fascist thug mentality seems to be pro-Bush... ALL the way!

(Hook, LINE and sinker)


"Haben sie gewurtze deutsche band...
mit der bing,
mit der bang,
mit der bing bang bing bang boom!"
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2004 01:26 am
Okay I'll bite. Describe a facist thug mentality please.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2004 07:27 am
I see three possibilities Foxy.

1. English is Magus's second language and he has trouble recognizing metaphorical statements when he encounters them. This seems likely, as his own use of "(Hook, LINE and sinker)" doesn't seem to belong with anything else he wrote.

2. He wishes to finish off this thread by invoking Godwin's Law. (Is that an actual Nazi tune? Shocked)

3. He's still smarting from the last time I called him on a moronic statement, and this was a futile attempt at retribution.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2004 10:11 am
Lash wrote:
neither the GOP nor the Bush campaign have ever said or implied nasty things about gays

That's not the way the gays in the Republican Party see it.

The Log Cabin Republicans have been about as straightforward about the offense they've taken at where Bush is leading the GOP as they possibly can, short of leaving the party. The National Board of the Log Cabin Republicans voted 22-2 against endorsing President Bush in 2004. It declared that it would instead put its financial and political resources to use in "defeating the radical right".

The group's Executive Director Patrick Guerriero explained why they refused to endorse Bush and his campaign: "Certain moments in history require that a belief in fairness and equality not be sacrificed in the name of partisan politics; this is one of those moments. The national board's vote empowers Log Cabin to maintain its integrity".

As one reporter noted at the Republican Convention,

Quote:
Inside and outside the Log Cabin Republicans' event yesterday, there was striking agreement that Bush's platform and presidential campaign have been hijacked by the far right. "There are two Republican parties right now," said Patrick Guerriero, executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans. "There's a party platform and a radical right agenda, and then there's a group of inclusive Republicans. It's time the party made a choice to be either a party of inclusion or a party that totally caters to the radical right."


Note - Guerriero, the leader of the main group of gays within the GOP, here groups the very party platform with the "radical right agenda".

Latter report also remarks on how Specter said some brave things about gay rights at the Log Cabin event, but Pataki, supposedly one of the most liberal faces of the GOP, "didn't mention anything about gay rights" when he speeched there; "in fact, speaking to a group of gay Republicans, he failed to even say the word "gay."

No - even liberal Republicans who mean well are too scared to even say the word "gay", afraid of what it would do to their chances in the Republican primaries of 2008 - but otherwise, the GOP is full of nice blue-haired ladies who just love gay people ... ;-)
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2004 10:21 am
Damn straight Nimh!

This whole thing is a cover for the latent homophobia present within the religious right, I mean, the Republican party.

Cycloptichorn
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