Was the president wired during both debates?

I believe Kerry was referring to the 10 year forecasts. Before Bush the forecast was for a surplus of 5.6 trillion over 10 years. The forecasts now are for a deficit of 2.6 trillion over 10 years.

And it is a bloody big turnaround. 9/11 or no 9/11.

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I couldn't agree more Adrian. The market was WAY overdue for a correction with or without a 9-11, so the projection wasn't realistic anyway... but don't underestimate the damage done on that day, either. The travel industry still hasn't recovered. I don't believe there was anything the President could have done to remove people's fear any faster. Bin Laden struck us right in the liver and we are even now still smarting from it.

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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/13/bulgefoto/index.html

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Kerry got in a back pat, though!! What'd he find?

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I was so happy with that back pat. :-D Did you SEE Bush's face and the way he scuttled? I don't know if it was another one of those "how dare you so much as question" yadda yadda things or if it was "oh sh!t". That was a reaction, though.

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It looked like 'oh ****' to me.

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Did anyone else watch the debate on c-span? It really looked like Bush was listening intently to something other than Kerry. Though maybe that's what I was looking for after the last two debates.

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I watched the debate on c-span. I could not tell. All I could tell is that Bush's micro-expressions -- the expressions you make unconsciously -- were way at odds with what he was saying. There was not a seamless traverse from brain to speech. But that happens when lines are memorized by bad actors, too.

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I honestly think it's his slouching. He's doing it again in the pic from last night when the "bulge" appears. Earlier, when he first came out, there was a back shot that did not divulge a bulge.

I liked the reference Bush made to Laura telling him to stand up straight and stop scowling.

I don't think that would go over too well with the majority of men or women. What, is she his Mother? Why would the President of the United States need to be addressed this way by his wife?

I thought that spoke volumes about the man. No respect even from his wife? C'mon. Honestly, how many men would find that funny? How many CEO's would need their wife to tell them that?

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There is a picture of Bush in a t-shirt on the ranch, which shows the same outline.

Hope to find out what it is. Don't think it has anything to do with the debate. Maybe a medical issue.

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The White House categorically denied that he was wearin anything under the t-shrt, too, Lash. That's when I started to give this story any credence at all -- there are so many possible reasonable explanations. But no, the White House says he's never had any device at all, period.

Quote:

Dickens said the president has never used any devices except for cutting tools and earplugs to protect his ears from the high-decibel chainsaw. Nor has the Secret Service outfitted Bush with a hidden communications device, according to Dickens: "He doesn't need something like that because the Secret Service is always with him. They ride in the truck in the back. Wherever he goes, they're with him."

(That was re: the t-shirt pic.)

I dunno, every day I expect it to be decisively debunked, and am more surprised that it hasn't been than that it's still going.

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A second look at Salon's link, however, shows Kerry has SERIOUS dowager's hump. Bigger than Bush's...whatever that is.

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squinney wrote:

I honestly think it's his slouching. He's doing it again in the pic from last night when the "bulge" appears. Earlier, when he first came out, there was a back shot that did not divulge a bulge.

I liked the reference Bush made to Laura telling him to stand up straight and stop scowling.

I don't think that would go over too well with the majority of men or women. What, is she his Mother? Why would the President of the United States need to be addressed this way by his wife?

I thought that spoke volumes about the man. No respect even from his wife? C'mon. Honestly, how many men would find that funny? How many CEO's would need their wife to tell them that?

I had to wonder at the reference Kerry made about his mother telling him to "remember, Integrity! Integrity! Integrity!".

Wonder what she knew? I thought that spoke volumes about the man. No confidence even from his mother.

Kerry bringing in Cheney's daughter Mary's sexuality = total lack of integrity. She's not running for office.

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Yeah, soz.

I didn't give this hoopla any credence whatsoever--and I guess it's plausible that there's a good explanation for that boxy thing on his back--but I really want to know what it is.

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squinney wrote:

I liked the reference Bush made to Laura telling him to stand up straight and stop scowling.

I don't think that would go over too well with the majority of men or women. What, is she his Mother? Why would the President of the United States need to be addressed this way by his wife?

I thought that spoke volumes about the man. No respect even from his wife? C'mon. Honestly, how many men would find that funny? How many CEO's would need their wife to tell them that?

Your partisan blinders are showing badly. The man got the laughs he was after. You must be a truly exceptional woman if the Bear doesn't get advised regularly on a whole slew of stuff where advice is unnecessary. You're not going to wear that shirt with those pants are you? Shocked

In my experience, knit-picking women are more like the rule than the exception. I'm not saying it's bad, just common.

Oh, and you might want to rethink whether you think a candidate's child's sexuality should be used as a weapon. Fair game? Rolling Eyes

The woman is guilty of nothing more than being born with a father you despise. I've heard not one reason anyone should take pot shots at her. The sins of the father should not be visited upon the daughter, either. Idea

There is a night and day's difference between a comedian doing it and a politician, too.

As for the back-pack, my money's on Brace of some kind that the "tough guy" is ashamed to admit to, for fear of appearing weak.

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Interesting about medical/ brace possibility, guys. Hadn't thought of that. Do you think that would be damaging, itself?

I'm surprised at the Mary Cheney stuff. She's come up so many times during the campaign and during the VP debate. It's a big story that Cheney doesn't agree with the DOMA, but supports Bush. That Cheney doesn't agree with it in part because his daughter's a lesbian. Cheney's talked about it openly, it was the topic of a question in the VP debate, it's not like it was new info.

I think FreeDuck already said that it was a way to put a human face on it. How is it an attack?

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Yeah, OBill. I seem to remember Bush having some kind of arthro problem--joint surgery on his knees or something? He may have some type of spinal problem, or have some device to ease spinal or joint pain--or some such. That would be a good reason to wince or turn white when Kerry was patting him down.

Kennedy was nearly incapacitated with back problems--and FDR--- These guys don't like it circulated that they have such medical issues... Bet that's the size of it.

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sozobe wrote:

Interesting about medical/ brace possibility, guys. Hadn't thought of that. Do you think that would be damaging, itself?

I'm surprised at the Mary Cheney stuff. She's come up so many times during the campaign and during the VP debate. It's a big story that Cheney doesn't agree with the DOMA, but supports Bush. That Cheney doesn't agree with it in part because his daughter's a lesbian. Cheney's talked about it openly, it was the topic of a question in the VP debate, it's not like it was new info.

I think FreeDuck already said that it was a way to put a human face on it. How is it an attack?

I don't think they really buy that it was an attack. Just some faux outrage for the cameras.

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Wired or not it did not help him in the debates. What Bush really needs is a wire from his brain,pardon the expression, to his mouth. On second though it would be a waste of wire.
Bush did what he did in the first two debates, acted as an advocate for Kerry.

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